I definitely see the reasoning behind developing our own tools in ZF, and I have to say that the idea has crossed my mind as well. But it simply isn't practical; we have limited resources and issue tracking, wiki systems, etc. are *very* difficult to do well with today's high expectations. And OS projects are so dependent on their tools that it would be folly to compromise based on technology stacks alone. As far as using the Java tools goes- I've tried many bug db products and I can say with confidence JIRA, for all its quirks/faults is the best one that I'm aware of for our project. Add the interactivity with Confluence, Fisheye, and now Crucible, and you've got a winning toolset. This should become even more apparent over the course of the next few days as we all start seeing the new features in all of these products and we (finally!) get SSO across all of them. We've actually heard from some large users that this is one of the reasons they chose ZF in the first place. They believe it shows a certain degree of maturity in our decision making process that we could swallow our PHP pride and go with a Java toolset based on features and appropriateness to the project. Opinions will of course differ across observers, but I happen to agree (I wasn't on the team when this decision was made).
,Wil > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Marden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [fw-general] THE BIG Q&A and submitting questions. . . > > As far as I know there isn't a PHP solution like the suite of tools > that > Atlassian has on offer. > Right tool for the job, and all that. > > Anyone who needs Zend to only and always use PHP in order to evaluate > the tools they have to offer should probably not be making technical > decisions in the first place. Evaluate Zend tools on the merits of the > tools and whether it benefits the organization, not whether they are > using it to power a complex and largely distributed software > development > process. No need to reinvent the wheel. In my experience, most > reinvented wheels come out square. > > > -- > Eric Marden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Spicer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [fw-general] THE BIG Q&A and submitting questions. . . > > Hi all, > Quick question for tomorrow... > > Is there any possibility of Zend building and using a toolset (bug > tracker/wiki etc) based on Zend Framework? > > It just seems a bit odd that Zend - the PHP company - is using > Java-based technology to power part of their site, instead of PHP- > based. > > I also think it would provide reassurance to non-technical people (the > decision makers!) that Zend Framework can be used since "Oh look, > they're using it themselves on a real-world application." > > Thanks > Pete > > Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > -- Josh Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Tuesday, 29 April 2008, > > 06:39 PM -0500): > > > >> When is the webinar tomorrow? I don't see a place to sign up but I > am > > >> wanting to demo ZF to my company as we are rebuilding marines.com > and > > >> they want to use symfony :( > >> > > > > It's at 12pm EDT/9am PDT, and you can sign up here: > > > > > > http://www.zend.com/en/company/news/event/webinar-zend-framework-the- > b > > ig-q-a > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Wil Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Yes, I know the shutdown of the wiki to read-only mode is not > particular > >> well timed considering the Big Q&A is coming up this Wednesday. > >> Unfortunately, the maintenance period could not be put off; > believe me- > >> if it were possible I would have done it! > >> So, please post any questions you would like answered in the Big > Q&A to > >> this list. I will collect them and add them to those we've > already > >> received: > >> > >> > http://framework.zend.com/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43922 > >> > >> If you haven't yet signed up, here's where to do it: > >> > >> > http://www.zend.com/en/company/news/event/webinar-zend-framework-the- > big > >> -q-a > >> > >> Keep in mind, this will not be your average webinar. It will be > very > >> interactive and somewhat impromptu. You could very well ask a > question > >> that completely stumps everyone on the team! Go ahead and try. > :) > >> > >> See y'all on Wednesday. > >> > >> ,Wil > >> > >> > >> > > > >
