Exactly, and why invent the wheel. Just because the solutions that are out there aren't PHP doesn't make them bad.
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Wil Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I definitely see the reasoning behind developing our own tools in ZF, > and I have to say that the idea has crossed my mind as well. But it > simply isn't practical; we have limited resources and issue tracking, > wiki systems, etc. are *very* difficult to do well with today's high > expectations. And OS projects are so dependent on their tools that it > would be folly to compromise based on technology stacks alone. As far as > using the Java tools goes- I've tried many bug db products and I can say > with confidence JIRA, for all its quirks/faults is the best one that I'm > aware of for our project. Add the interactivity with Confluence, > Fisheye, and now Crucible, and you've got a winning toolset. This should > become even more apparent over the course of the next few days as we all > start seeing the new features in all of these products and we (finally!) > get SSO across all of them. > We've actually heard from some large users that this is one of the > reasons they chose ZF in the first place. They believe it shows a > certain degree of maturity in our decision making process that we could > swallow our PHP pride and go with a Java toolset based on features and > appropriateness to the project. Opinions will of course differ across > observers, but I happen to agree (I wasn't on the team when this > decision was made). > > ,Wil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Marden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:20 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [fw-general] THE BIG Q&A and submitting questions. . . > > > > As far as I know there isn't a PHP solution like the suite of tools > > that > > Atlassian has on offer. > > Right tool for the job, and all that. > > > > Anyone who needs Zend to only and always use PHP in order to evaluate > > the tools they have to offer should probably not be making technical > > decisions in the first place. Evaluate Zend tools on the merits of the > > tools and whether it benefits the organization, not whether they are > > using it to power a complex and largely distributed software > > development > > process. No need to reinvent the wheel. In my experience, most > > reinvented wheels come out square. > > > > > > -- > > Eric Marden > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pete Spicer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:01 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [fw-general] THE BIG Q&A and submitting questions. . . > > > > Hi all, > > Quick question for tomorrow... > > > > Is there any possibility of Zend building and using a toolset (bug > > tracker/wiki etc) based on Zend Framework? > > > > It just seems a bit odd that Zend - the PHP company - is using > > Java-based technology to power part of their site, instead of PHP- > > based. > > > > I also think it would provide reassurance to non-technical people (the > > decision makers!) that Zend Framework can be used since "Oh look, > > they're using it themselves on a real-world application." > > > > Thanks > > Pete > > > > Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > > -- Josh Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Tuesday, 29 April 2008, > > > 06:39 PM -0500): > > > > > >> When is the webinar tomorrow? I don't see a place to sign up but I > > am > > > > >> wanting to demo ZF to my company as we are rebuilding marines.com > > and > > > > >> they want to use symfony :( > > >> > > > > > > It's at 12pm EDT/9am PDT, and you can sign up here: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.zend.com/en/company/news/event/webinar-zend-framework-the- > > b > > > ig-q-a > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Wil Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes, I know the shutdown of the wiki to read-only mode is not > > particular > > >> well timed considering the Big Q&A is coming up this Wednesday. > > >> Unfortunately, the maintenance period could not be put off; > > believe me- > > >> if it were possible I would have done it! > > >> So, please post any questions you would like answered in the > Big > > Q&A to > > >> this list. I will collect them and add them to those we've > > already > > >> received: > > >> > > >> > > http://framework.zend.com/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43922 > > >> > > >> If you haven't yet signed up, here's where to do it: > > >> > > >> > > http://www.zend.com/en/company/news/event/webinar-zend-framework-the- > > big > > >> -q-a > > >> > > >> Keep in mind, this will not be your average webinar. It will be > > very > > >> interactive and somewhat impromptu. You could very well ask a > > question > > >> that completely stumps everyone on the team! Go ahead and try. > > :) > > >> > > >> See y'all on Wednesday. > > >> > > >> ,Wil > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >
