On Nov 17, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Steven wrote:

On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Ashgrove wrote:

Don't you love that keyboard? It's inconceivable that most of the Mac
laptops that have come afterwards cannot hold a candle to that
keyboard.

I have a clamshell, a TiBook, and a unibody MBP, and they all have keyboards superior to most desktop keyboards. The aluminum MBP keyboard's not bad either. By contrast, the 68K PowerBooks would get tiresome pretty quickly (if I used them). I don't know how much their age is a factor, but my old ADB keyboards haven't lost their great feel, so I'm skeptical.

I still can't believe Apple doesn't make a real keyboard for their desktop computers.

Apple hasn't made a good desktop keyboard since they dropped the Apple Extended II (code name Nimitz) for the AppleDesign -- and the II, while nice, still wasn't as good as the original Apple Extended (code name Saratoga). The Bondi iMac keyboard was a joke (but not as much as the puck mouse) and the 2006-era edgeless white keyboards I find especially unpleasant. Not as bad as the Bondi, but still.

Particularly galling is Apple's treatment of Caps Lock. In short, they've previously (as Apple Computer and NeXT) used two satisfactory methods (physically locking key and Command-Shift chord respectively), and not only abandoned both, but adopted a new delay-based method (i.e. requiring the key to be held down) that while helping to prevent accidental Caps Lock engagement punishes users who intentionally hit it but do so quickly. (Yes, I normally do hit keys that fast.)

(and I think making the number pad an option is ridiculous).

My first Mac was a Plus, which had the numeric pad built-in. It had arrow keys, but they were crippled by placing the right arrow between the left and down arrows, forming an L shape instead of the usual inverted T. It didn't have Esc or Control (to say nothing of function keys or the group of six keys above the arrows). But at least it had a physically locking Caps Lock key.

I recently got an Extended Keyboard II from a thrift store, and eventually when I find an ADB cable and ADB-USB converter I might switch to that

One of the reasons I won't give up my old Macs is the ADB keyboards. I'd set them up as thin clients first. But there are decent USB keyboards if you go third-party. I have a MacAlly that's not bad -- its layout matches the old Apple extended keyboards, including the three LEDs (although it can't be programmed to send different codes for left/right Shift/Option/Control like Apple's). Also, it doesn't have modern conveniences like volume control keys, so it's a better match for OS 9 than OS X. The Matias Tactile Pro 1, however, has the same mechanical key switch technology as the old Apple models, plus four additional keys for volume control and eject. It only has two LEDs (built-in to the Caps Lock and Clear / Num Lock keys), and Caps Lock mode lights both of them, which is odd, but I suppose it makes it easier to notice hitting Caps Lock by accident. It's twangier than Apple's keyboards, but I've gotten used to it. I'd recommend considering one of these for use with OS X, but finding one might be hard. Version 2 had defects (and is no longer sold anyway), and I haven't seen a review of version 3 yet. Caveat emptor.

Josh


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