On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote:

> name some. name a phone that's USB2 (hint: they're going to BlueTooth,
> not USB2). Name a PDA that is USB2. Name some USB2 speakers. USB audio
> doesn't anywhere NEAR saturate a USB 1.1 bus, so bumping speakers to
> USB2 would be pointless. name a USB2 card reader.  name a camera.
>
> I've asked for this information previously in this thread, but you
> either can't come up with it, or can't be bothered.

Considering the response I've gotten, call it "can't be bothered".  It
shouldn't be necessary to call out a list of devices that are present
today (in advance of the computer even being out), that require USB2, to
make the point that a new top of the line laptop should support it. If
there's NOTHING on the market yet - zero, zip, nada; a new machine should
support it.  How many Firewire 800 devices are there out there right now?

But since you keep picking at this:

HP photosmart 120, 620, 812
Sony DSC-F717
... if you follow the new product announcements on Steve's digicam site or
others there are a slew of others  coming out.

> A quick search of Google and PriceLine renders.......nothing.

Our experience differs.  See below.

> USB2 has become a standard in PC computers. It has yet to really come to
> play in actual peripherals. Like I said.... start naming some. About the
> only decent USB2-only device I've seen would be some of Iomega's newer
> drives. Even their hard drives have interchangeable dongles so you can
> use them with FireWire -or- USB2.
>
> Name some. name some REAL stuff, that's actually shipping right now. Not
> "coming soon", not vaporware.

A straw argument - I care about what's going to be out there over the 2-3
year working life of the Powerbook, not what's out there today.  And why
do you insist that I justify this requirement anyway?  It can't be as
simple as wanting the current version of the technology, 40x faster than
the former, on this new laptop?  But again, since you insist:

http://www.usb-2-0.com/index.html
http://www.usbgear.com/usa/USB_20.html
http://www.usbmax.com/usb-max/Products/USB_20.cfm
http://www.qvs.com/usb/usb2.asp
http://www.cooldrives.com/usb20products.html
http://www.envynews.com/review.php?ID=252
http://shop3.outpost.com/search?search_type=regular&query_string=USB+2.0

There was a really nice site that I saw the other day that has all their
USB 2.0 products broken down by product type, but I can't find it right
now.

"But you could buy all that stuff in Firewire versions!"

But I shouldn't have to.  I'd rather have both alternatives.  How can
people argue that not having alternatives is better than having them?
And when I go over to a friend's house, or a vendor comes in, and WHAT
THEY HAVE is a USB 2.0 external drive, it doesn't really matter what my
preference is.  Reality is that I'll buy a PCMCIA (slow) USB 2 card, and
live with the inconvenience of having to lug it around in order to be
assured of connectivity with the rest of the world.

Again, please let this thread drop.  I want the current version of USB in
my new AlBook, and I'm not going to get it.  Nothing else really needs to
be said.

KeS

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