On Monday, Oct 28, 2002, at 20:56 Europe/London, Luca Rescigno wrote:

> As far as I know, the standard Radeon PCI (not the Radeon 7000) is
> better than the 7000 because it has better 3D performance. I heard that
> ATi crippled the 7000 to push sales of their more expensive cards, but
> the standard Radeon is actually better (and unfortunately, it's also
> been discontinued, so expect to pay a premium).
>
> A standard Radeon PCI should be as good as a Radeon AGP, which is some
> pretty good performance. I have a digital audio G4 with an AGP Radeon
> and it's excellent. Not top-notch; I'm sure I could get something
> better, but it's up there. Expect to pay $150 or more for a standard
> Radeon, and you have to make extra sure it's not a Radeon 7000.

I really don't know what everyones problem is with the Radeon 7000, I 
have one on my B&W G3 and it's a great card, plus it only cost me $90 
(plus $15 shipping to get it across the pond). I know everyone 
initially slated it but that was because the drivers were hopeless and 
it kept flicking out all the time. The latest ATi updates and OS X 
10.1.5 or later have fixed that, as well as improving it's overall 
stability and speed. I think the fact that the B&W G3 has a 66MHz PCI 
slot helps a great deal. Unless you are a hardcore Mac gamer or do big 
phat 3D graphics work in an OpenGL environment then I don't think the 
fact the original Radeon PCI is a faster 3D card is really an issue, 
according to various reviews the 7000 PCI, since it has had various 
driver and OS updates, out performs the original PCI in the OS X 
desktop environment, during normal 2D operations. I don't think the 
7000 PCI is crippled 'per-se' i think it is a different card that 
concentrates more on 2D power to appeal more to the wider replacement 
market looking to upgrade G3s to get better OS X performance.

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