I repeat what I previously said: they need to be warned that deleting files that are not owned by them is NOT A GOOD IDEA unless they know what they're doing.
Billy-III:/Applications billyiii$ ls -al
total 32
drwxrwxr-x 45 root admin 1530 29 May 2002 .
drwxrwxr-t 31 root admin 1054 17 Dec 10:50 ..
-rw-rw-rw- 1 billyiii admin 15364 17 Dec 09:40 .DS_Store
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root admin 0 12 Sep 2003 .localized
drwxrwxr-x 3 billyiii admin 102 26 Nov 17:56 AOL
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:12 Address Book.app
drwxrwxrwx 14 root admin 476 7 Dec 20:55 Adobe Photoshop 7
drwxrwxr-x 7 billyiii billyiii 238 5 Dec 16:46 Adobe Reader 6.0
drwxrwxr-x 13 root admin 442 26 Nov 23:20 AppleWorks
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 27 Oct 20:43 Calculator.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:01 Chess.app
drwxrwxrwx 6 billyiii staff 204 5 Dec 10:47 Command & Conquer Generals
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:10 DVD Player.app
drwxrwxrwx 9 billyiii staff 306 5 Dec 14:31 Europa Universalis II
drwxr-xr-x 11 billyiii staff 374 3 Jan 2004 Folder Icon Suite
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 13:55 Font Book.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 billyiii billyiii 102 26 Nov 18:25 Hewlett-Packard
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:16 Image Capture.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 12 Nov 18:41 Internet Connect.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 4 Dec 22:15 Internet Explorer.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 14 Aug 2003 Mail.app
drwxr-xr-x 4 billyiii admin 136 12 Dec 21:54 Mellel.app
drwxrwxr-x 12 billyiii admin 408 26 Nov 18:16 Microsoft Office X
drwxr-xr-x 3 billyiii admin 102 14 Dec 05:52 OnyX.app
drwxrwxr-x 18 billyiii admin 612 27 Nov 22:33 Palm
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:03 Preview.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 30 Sep 19:44 QuickTime Player.app
drwxrwxr-x 11 billyiii admin 374 3 Jan 2004 Roxio Toast Titanium 5.2.1
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 5 Dec 2003 Safari.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:18 Sherlock.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 13:54 Stickies.app
drwxrwxr-x 7 root admin 238 26 Nov 23:12 StuffIt Standard 9.0
drwxrwxr-x 3 root wheel 102 18 Sep 14:07 System Preferences.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 13:55 TextEdit.app
drwxrwxr-x 34 root admin 1156 10 Dec 17:43 Utilities
drwxr-xr-x 3 root admin 102 10 Dec 06:30 Virex 7.5.app
drwxrwxr-x 8 billyiii admin 272 11 Dec 08:56 Zinio
drwxrwxrwx 4 billyiii admin 136 27 Nov 22:35 ePocrates AutoUpdate
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 15 Dec 06:03 iCal.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:21 iChat.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:09 iMovie.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 18 Sep 14:14 iPhoto.app
drwxr-xr-x 4 billyiii billyiii 136 23 Nov 18:32 iPodRip.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 1 Jul 16:47 iSync.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 26 Nov 16:08 iTunes.app
I have even more apps owned by 'root'. I'm sure not going to delete them.
Anyway........
Tim
On Dec 17, 2004, at 10:41 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:00 PM, Tim Collier wrote:
Just a word of caution here....files that are owned by root can be very important to running the operating system and you should be VERY CAREFUL before deleting any of them without knowing what you are doing.
No in Applications, which the poster stated originally. "I added some items in my Applications..." anything in Applications can be tossed without disrupting the system. You may lose significant functionality if, say, you trashed System Preferences, but the System will run just fine.
If the Poster had said 'System' or 'Library' folders, thats another thing entirely.
There is a reason why you don't have the ability to delete those files. It's REALLY bad advice to tell somebody to go into the terminal and use 'sudo' to remove files without that bit of advice.
Many things in /Applications are owned by root because they're installed by the system installer, things like iTunes, iPhoto, Safari are all owned by root:
Welcome to Darwin!
[dbdev2:~] johnson% cd /Applications
[dbdev2:/Applications] johnson% ls -l
total 731208
drwxr-xr-x 3 johnson admin 102 22 Mar 2004 AbiWord.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 15 May 2004 Address Book.app
drwxr-xr-x 8 johnson admin 272 19 May 2003 Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional
drwxrwxrwx 13 johnson admin 442 9 Dec 14:01 Adobe Photoshop 7
drwxrwxr-x 7 johnson admin 238 7 Sep 15:04 Adobe Reader 6.0
drwxrwxrwx 7 johnson admin 238 14 Jan 2000 Aldus SuperPaint 3.0
drwxr-xr-x 8 johnson admin 272 4 Jun 2004 Anagrams 2.4
drwxrwxr-x 8 root admin 272 22 Jan 2004 AppleScript
drwxr-xr-x 3 johnson johnson 102 21 Jan 2004 Aqua Data Studio.app
drwxrwxrwx 4 johnson admin 136 2 Oct 19:06 Ask Us oMatic.app
drwxrwxrwx 8 johnson admin 272 18 Jan 2003 BBEdit Lite 6.1
drwxr-xr-x 22 johnson admin 748 27 Sep 17:02 Bochs-2.1.1
drwxrwxrwx 23 johnson admin 782 29 Jun 10:43 Bryce 5
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 27 Oct 17:43 Calculator.app
drwxr-xr-x 3 johnson admin 102 17 May 2004 Camino.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 27 Sep 2003 Chess.app
Note the items in here owned by root, rather than me: Applescript, Calculator, Chess...all installed during the OS install.
Now if you delete the Applescript folder, all you're deleting are some scripts and the script editor, your're NOT deleting the AppleScript functionality.
ANYTHING in the Applications folder is fungible. The System, Library, and stuff hidden off in /private are all the crucial system files that you don't want to mess with.
-- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pha acy Information Technology Group
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