That probably indicates a dying PRAM battery. If you're in a hurry
you can pick one up for ~$10 at Rat Shack. OWC (macsales.com)
usually has good prices on them ($3-6 depending on stock on hand) if
you can wait a couple of days for them to arrive.
Got one already.
I have 2 SCSI Wide drives running from a card, one of these being the
startup disc. Neither has jumpers.
I doubt the source of your problem's here, but more details on the
drives and which SCSI card would be nice....
Card: ATTO LVD/SE ULTRA 3 SCSI.
Drives:
-36gb 10000rpm Ultra 160 LVD/SE 68-pin SCSI Wide(can't remember
brand, and it has no identification... bought from OWC last year or
so).
-9.1gb Quantum Atlas V 68-pin
I removed the stock Quantum Fireball EX 6gb IDE drive and fitted a
120gb Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 ATA/133, which came from a Windoze box,
in its place. Initially I left the jumper as it came, on the left
pins, set to J50 DS (Master).
Have you tried it with no jumper at all? Dunno why but that has
occasionally done the trick for me in otherwise baffling situations.
Tried it on your suggestion; it does boot now, though despite the new
battery it still shows the small folder icon with alternating
face/questionmark for a minute or so.
Disconnected 120gb and the flashing face/? folder appeared, then
booted normally.
Jumpers on the 120gb are, left to right:
J50 DS (Master)
J48 CS (Enabled)
J46 Cap Limit
J44 one pin only
J42
No jumpers is DS (Slave)
So the booting proicess is unstable... I can get more than one result
if I keep doing the same thing.
And people recommend ATA over SCSI because it's simpler....yeah,
right! I've never had as much trouble with SCSI as with ATA. IMO
ATA drives are cheaper for good reason.
I don't doubt this for an instant. But the drive was CHEAP.
What I'd try at this point is: disconnect SCSI drives and pull the
card; disconnect all other drives except the CD-ROM; set the Maxtor
to Master and connect it; press and hold the CUDA button for ~20
seconds; try to startup from the Jaguar Install Disk and see what
happens....
I have never been able to boot from an OS CD with this machine. It
refuses. I have to set the drive in question as startup drive, then
install from there. Obviously I can't do that with an unsupported
uninitialized HD.
What I want to do is load OS9.2 on this Windoze HD, then upgrade to OS10.2.
You don't have to install OS 9.x first. You do wanna be sure that
OS 9 drivers are installed on the drive, though. This won't be done
automatically by the OS X installer. You'd need to open Disk
Utility after you boot from the OS X Install disk and initialize the
entire drive (not just a volume on the drive) from the Erase tab,
selecting the "Install OS 9 Drivers" option. You can install 9.2
later if you want.
OK... but somehow I need to initialize this HD. It doesn't appear on
the desktop, and Drive Setup tells me that it's unsupported and
cannot be initialized... I have had problems in the past with a HD
formatted with FWB (someone did this for me). Is there a better way
to initialize a disc, and how do I go about it?
--------------
As for the drives, I would do the following:
Set the Maxtor IDE drive as master. Attach it at the end of the IDE
cable, and have it be the only IDE hard drive (avoids the Rev 1 IDE
corruption problem)
There's only one connector on the very short IDE ribbon. And if this
drive is set-up as master the G3 won't boot.
Jumper 46 should be used only if the system can't see the full
capacity of the drive. It's used primarily with older x86 machines
with a BIOS limitation of $FOO gigs ($FOO being 8, 136, whatever it
may be, it's lower than the full drive capacity). Since the Maxtor
is 120 in size, you /shouldn't/ have to use that jumper. Keep it in
mind if you are still having problems with the drive after the pram
battery has been replaced.
OK.
For the full system setup (I'm listing a few more steps just to be
paranoid and make sure everything is working normally). Oh yes,
your original post made it sound like all the drives are blank, so:
No... both SCSI drives have data, though that on the smaller one
isn't vital. The new IDE has Windoze XP and other trash on it.
Pull the SCSI card. Replace the pram battery. Set up the IDE drive
as above. Reset the pram (cuda switch will work fine). Boot the
system and install the OS (Per Gene, you can install 9 after 10, but
I don't know if 10 will see the system folder and set itself up for
classic use or not).
Once the OS is up and running, install the scsi card. Make sure the
system can see the drives. Once that is done, you know the pram
settings are correct. To be even more paranoid, reboot the system a
few times just to see if it boots off the drive correctly and
doesn't give the 'I can't find myself' question mark. Once you are
satisfied that it will not do this any longer, reinstall to the SCSI
drives, boot off the scsi drives, set your hair on fire, whatever,
you should be good to go.
----------------------------
<< This sounds like a classic case of a dead or soon to be dead pram
battery. >>
though this may seem to be true, I think it is actually the method at which
you are turning off the computer. My sawtooth has a new PRAM
battery, but when
I turn off the computer using the switch on the back of my ATX PS, it seems
to reset the date and time. first I would see if this still happens when you
turn off the computer properly, by holding the front power button for 5
seconds. If it keeps resetting the date and time, then I would
replace the PRAM
bettery.
--------------------------
That may be for you, but the original poster didn't say anything about
using out of spec hacked hardware in their machine.
Of course, I don't think he said it wasn't either...
*digs in the trash*
Nope, Andrew didn't say a thing about any hacks to the hardware, just that
it is a Rev 1 B&W.
No hacks, just a SCSI card and 2 drives.
Going from that, I'm going to assume that's its stock,
in which case, there is only two ways to power it down from the case: hit
the button up front or pull the power cord.
And I'm going to give Andrew the benefit of the doubt and assume he's not
pulling the power cord. :-)
No, I didn't... rather, I couldn't... because when this machine, like
my other Macs, misbehaves, it does NOT shut down with the power
button, nor will it restart... so I HAVE to pull the plug.
--
Regards
Andrew
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