Kris, to answer your questions, this Mac that had all the Mail trouble
after the Panther upgrade is a dual 2.0 G5 with 8 GB of RAM. The
instructions that come with the upgrade don't specifically recommend
backing things up beforehand, although I agree that's always a good
thing to do. Likewise the demo of Panther on the Apple website just
says to pop in the upgrade disk and let 'er go. I already had backed
up what I considered the most important things (photos, videos,
documents) onto external hard drives, but of course I never thought
about mailboxes, and that's what I lost some of.

In Mail, if you delete a mailbox, it doesn't go into the Finder Trash,
where you have a chance to retrieve it. When you delete a mailbox,
Mail asks you if that's what you really want to do, because it deletes
it for good, and it can't be undone. I had so many old empty mailboxes
to get rid of that I tried to select and delete them in batches, and
one of my batch selections must have included some of the mailboxes
that had things in them. That's all I can figure might have happened.
At any rate, they sure vanished, and were not in the Finder Trash or
anywhere else.

And the ISP deletes old messages from their server after a few weeks,
so I couldn't recover a lot of older correspondence that way.

Gary, you have described the same problems I had with Mail after the
10.5 upgrade: Mail would not send or receive mail, and it could not be
quit--it had to be force-quit. The cure, as far as I can tell, was to
throw away the com. apple. mail. plist in the Preferences folder,
because after trashing that .plist  I could quit Mail, but as you
probably know, when you throw away that .plist you lose all your
settings and have to re-establish your Internet connection all over
again. In my case, the help service of my ISP talked me through
putting the setting back in on the phone, and then it could send and
receive mail again.

Now for some good news: Time Machine works. Its first attempt to copy
the contents of both internal hard drives failed; after about half an
hour it just quit copying. So I thought, here we go again. But the
next try, it went all the way and copied everything, quite a feat
since there was almost 500 GB of data on those two drives (it said it
was copying nearly two million items). It took from midnight to 6 AM
to complete the first backup. But now it seems to work, offering to
restore data from backups from 3 PM (now) to 6 AM.

So, I lost some mailbox contents, but I gained Time machine, Spaces,
Quick View, etc., so I guess I came out ahead. Upgrades are always
traumatic in one way or another.

Tom

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