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Subject: Re: PCI Extreme! still worth the trouble for a PCI-only Mac?
Date:    Freitag 12 Februar 2010N
From:    Kris Tilford <[email protected]>
To:      [email protected]

> On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
> > Now I see that this hack will no longer work with Tiger 10.4.3 and
> > newer.
> > Well, I'm using 10.4.11 -- so it won't work?
> 
> No, it works fine with 10.4.11. It didn't work ONLY with 10.4.3.
Pardon? It does NOT work with 10.4.3 and newer, at least that's what the 
developer says at http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8979/pci-extreme! and 
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/mac/16006 - it will fully work with 
Mac OS X 10.4.0 to 10.4.2 though.

> After
> you use PCI Extreme you can check it using Quartz Extreme Check. It
> should also show up in System Profiler as "supported".
Guess what? I did the patching i.e. I installed PCI Extreme! 3.1 on my Mac OS 
X 10.4.11 with a little aching in the stomage. (I'm not sure, if "ache in the 
stomage" means the same thing in English as it does in German, where it simply 
says that a person isn't really comfortable with something like a situation, 
an event or an action.)

But 10.4.11 starts up normally, no errors. I still don't have Quartz Extreme, 
because my graphics card is the original G3 B&W version of the ATI Rage 128, 
running at 68.66 MHz (both processor and memory).

> The things to remember:
> 
> 1) you can't mix non-QE video cards with QE cards. For example, no
> Rage & Radeon in the same Mac at the same time. The thing you said
> earlier, about BOTH an AGP & PCI together is also wrong, they work
> fine together as long as BOTH have QE enabled. If you DON'T use PCI
> Extreme to enable the PCI card, you lose the QE on the supported AGP
> card also.
> 
> 2) remember on the B&W & Yikes to keep the video card in the special
> video PCI slot which has twice the bandwidth of the other PCI slots.
> On a normal PCI slot the best speed you can obtain is the equivalent
> of 1/2 AGP, but with the special 66MHz slot you can get 1xAGP speed
> which is fine for QE.
> 
> 3) check that firmware on your video card first, and update before if
> necessary.
> 

Thanks for your advices. Even though I did the patch now (=installing PCI 
Extreme) I don't have an acceleration anyway due to the unsupported video 
card. I also wasn't able to find any newer version of the firmware for the ATI 
Rage 128, in fact I wasn't able to find any at all.

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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