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On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:50 AM, [email protected] wrote:
If Dave sounds like he's trying to sell you on the OS it's because
he's a believer. Trust me, there's NO money to be made on the Amiga
side of things. Just folks who think we were cheated out of a good
OS years ago. So as an owner of a G3, a G4, and a G5, I'm
interested in hearing about it. In that spirit: Dave, is there a
modern browser available for MorphOS? <hint: keep your answer
short. ;^)>
- Peter
From: "Christopher Clarke" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 9:13:26 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
Add me to the list of members who are getting tired to this guy
trying to sell us on an OS thats (1) Commercial and (2) Craptacular.
Nannies please get rid of this tripe. It doesn't belong.
On 7 Jan 2012, at 16:31, Jesse wrote:
> Agreed....
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> Sent from my iPhone 4
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> On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Eric Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Of course, I for one, am tired of hearing you shill this o/s.
Perhaps a line in your sig, people can email you off list if they
are interested.
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>> Thanks
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David W. Morris <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
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>> On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:
>>>
>>> This list is the G3-5 List. It is usable software agnostic.
Since MOST people on the list run Mac OS, that is what the main
knowledge base is. There are other lists with more knowledgable *nix
people on them.
>>>
>>> That being said, *nix talk is allowed, but remember, most people
on the list don't have a lot of knowledge or interest there.
>>>
>>> Just remember, this is not the Swap List.
>>>
>>> Len Gerstel
>>> List Nanny
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>>
>> That is good to know. I am just trying to be a good list member
and not step on anyone's toes here, so that is why I am being
careful with any discussions about alternative OSes for these G4 Mac
models.
>>
>> I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, with respect to
others on the list that have no interest in using an alternative OS
on their G4 Mac computers, after all MacOSX is the best OS available
on any hardware. ;-)
>>
>> The alternative OS that I am a strong supporter of is called
MorphOS and is currently at version 2.7. It is based on a micro-
kernel called Quark and is tightly coded to make it extremely fast
and efficient. It has been dubbed "The Lightning OS" by many
reviewers, and if it is setup as the primary OS on a G4 Mac
computer, it can reboot in less than 10 seconds to a fully
functional desktop environment. MorphOS3.0 is late and should be
released any day now. It has been developed by a small group of
mostly European members who are all former Amiga users who wanted to
create a modern Amiga replacement operating system that would run on
PowerPC CPU's. The last and highest performing Amiga hardware was
created by a third party company named Phase5. They made a few
different models of accelerators for Commodore Amiga computers that
had both a Motorola 68040, or 68060 (remember when Mac's only had
Motorola 680x0 CPU's?) and a 603, or 604e PowerPC
>> CPU. The accelerator came with a modified OS that could run
certain software on the PowerPC CPU, but would then task switch back
to the Motorola 680x0 CPU to run the rest of the Amiga software. It
was a clunky solution and came too late, as Commodore was already on
the ropes and about to go bankrupt, but still development continued
long after Commodore died and these people from Phase5, along with
many other Amiga users/developers that would not let the platform
die, began the MorphOS project. It was first hoped that the new
owner of the Amiga IP would buy their work and it would have become
the new AmigaOS, which would have been version 4 (as the official
AmigaOS ended at version 3.9). It was not to be and another company
won the negotiations to write AmigaOS4.x and we now have competing
products in the Amiga community.
>>
>> Enough on the history lesson. All you need to know about it is
that MorphOS has been under development for over 10 years now and
has become a very polished and efficient operating system, but it
still lacks in sheer numbers of developers and native software, even
though it can run most of the thousands of software titles that were
originally written for the Amiga line of computers through a JIT
(Just-In-Time) 680x0 to PPC translator that is built into the
MorphOS operating system. The only Amiga software that does not run
without an emulator on MorphOS, is mostly games and a few other
applications that do not follow the system guidelines and hit the
old Amiga custom chipset directly, as these custom chips do not
exist in the computers (like G4 Mac's) that are supported today by
MorphOS.
>>
>> MorphOS is not intended as a replacement for MacOSX (except
perhaps for only the most hardcore old time Amiga users). It is
what is commonly referred to as a "Hobby OS" that a few thousand
users and developers enjoy using and mostly only has interest for
people that were former users of the Amiga line of computers, or
others that just enjoy exploring alternative operating systems and
software, like the "nix" users.
>>
>> This list is a perfect place to promote MorphOS, because it is
made up of people that appreciate older PowerPC hardware and because
over the last few years the MorphOS Development Team has ported
MorphOS to several G4 Mac computer models, such as:
>>
>> All G4 MacMini's
>> 1.25GHz & 1.42GHz G4 eMac's
>> All G4 PowerMac's with AGP video card slots that are 500MHz or
faster (might even work on 400MHz & faster models)
>>
>> When MorphOS3.0 is released (any day now) it will also support 4
models of the G4 PowerBook and will be the first portable MorphOS
compatible systems (big deal for us). The models that will be
supported are model 1107, 1109, 1138 & 1139, which are all 1.67GHz
G4 PowerBooks in 15" and 17" sizes. None of the 12" G4 PowerBooks
are to be supported with the MorphOS3.0 release due to unsupported
video cards used in the 12" models. MorphOS only supports Radeon
video cards in G4 Mac models, so if you have an older G4 PowerMac
that has a different AGP video card, it would need to be swapped for
one of the supported Radeon video cards to be able to run MorphOS on
that system.
>>
>> Proof of concept screen shots and public demonstrations of
MorphOS booting on a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac and a 2.1GHz G5 iMac
have been shown, but the MorphOS Development Team has stated that no
work on a version to support G5 computers will be done until they
are finished supporting all of the G4 Mac computer models that make
sense to support is completed.
>>
>> MorphOS is a commercial OS project (used to be free until about 4
or 5 years ago) but it is available as a free download for a time
limited demo that allows you to run it unrestricted for 30 minutes
at a time, before it slows down to a crawl and you must re-boot so
you can use it for another 30 minutes at full speed. In this way
you can evaluate MorphOS as much as you want before you decide if it
is something you want to buy.
>>
>> If you have read this far and would like to know more, check out
the official MorphOS website at "http://www.morphos-team.net/index.html
" or visit one of the main English MorphOS forum sites at "http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/
". Why am I promoting an OS which only has a tiny user base and
limited software availability? Well, the only way to grow is to
promote it to more users and hope to interest a few new developers,
so that is my purpose. I am also teaching myself how to program so
I can contribute with new software, so my favorite "Hobby OS" will
succeed and grow in the future.
>>
>> Take a look at MorphOS. It is free to try and you might like
what you see, but I don't expect it to replace your use of MacOSX,
as MorphOS still needs a few more years of development and tons more
native software before it could be considered as a replacement for
anything, but with Apple and all third party software developers
abandoning your PowerPC Mac computers, isn't it nice to know that
there is one group of users and developers who are still supporting
G4 Mac computers?
>>
>> Thanks for your patience in reading this long post and for any
interest you may share in my favorite hobby.
>>
>> David
>> aka AmigaDave
>> Dual booting MacOSX & MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini & Dual
1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, plus dual booting MacOSX & MorphOS3.0 beta
on 15" & 17" 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks & dual booting MacOSX & Ubuntu
PPC v10.10 on a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac.
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