Thanks guys, this is the kind of stuff I was thinking of. One I now remember seeing, you could sort of clasify it as a game, was a rowing machine, not really accessible though. The point about this thing was you actually set your resistance, and for sighted people, you were actually in a race against other boats. Even for blind people, their was also excitement, since you could sometimes hear this shark, and you had to row faster to get away from him, or it would eat you and the machine would stop. I also heard of an excersise bike where you ride a planned route on the screen, e.g through a maze, or a race, and you had to pedal, look, and turn the handle bars to turn the bike. The problem about hand games, is that people assume that if it talks, it's sort of accessible. Their are some handgames where you can shoot quite a lot of things before you die. My friend actually had a game on the Nintendo called Wild Gunman. This game was totally accessible! You plugged a gun into the console, centred it on the screen, and waited. The guy would say 'Fire,' and if you fired first, you would go to a faster level, but if he fired first, you'd die and have to start from the beginning. This was probably to test hand-ear reflex, but it was hard, since it somehow knew when you weren't aiming the gun to the middle, and your hand really has to be steady and you really have to have nerve to wait tensely before hearing the fire to shoot. I often wonderd how fast that game could get, or if it had an ending, since I think the furtherest I got was I think level 16. Ari
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