Well charlse I never said some people didn't have a base desire for violence
on it's own merrits, the same way people take drinking alcohol to excess,
some people are just wrong! heck, I know pubs in nottingham where my parents
live who regularly have bet on illegal bare knuckle fist fights, though
obviously they aren't really pubs you'd want to go in.
It just strikes me however assuming everyone has this desire or in some way
games appeal to it is over simplifying since in the end saying everyone in
the world is scummy is just as naive and ill informed as the opposite.
Professional wrestling is a good case in point, since a good proportion of
the fans are more interested in the sort of soap opera plot, the rivalries
and the theatrics as what goes on in the ring, indeed a friend of my
brothers actually reccords wwe roar, and forwards past all the actual
matchs, just watching the interviews and the pre match taunting since
apparently she enjoys the plot, the insults etc but doesn't really care
about the boddy slams and so on.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Thinking of how people like violence, it makes me think of what is known
as "professional", wrestling, roller derby, and something I heard about
the other day, in which children from as young as 5 years and older are
put into a cage and they punch and kick each other. The only apparent
rule is that you cannot punch or kick the head. I would not at all be
interested in any such entertainment, as, to me, it would not be
entertaining. If the wrestlers actually did a lot of what they supposedly
do, like breaking a chair across the opponent's head, tossing them over
the top rope, body slamming with everything they can muster, using illegal
implements to cut the opponent, and so on, they would be killing each
other. Roller Derby incorporates a lot of roughness that is also not
really done, as well, from what I recall. Although it isn't shown weekly
on TV anymore, it is still an organized professional sport. I didn't know
this until a news report I saw about 2 years ago.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The Psychology of First Person Shooters
interesting thought on Rome Sebby, especially since I remember reading
some documents that the romans had the very same debates about violent
gladiatorial combat being generally bad for it's citizens psychological
wellbeing as we have about computer games :D.
The one major difference between the violent spectacles of Rome however
(apart from the lack of people actually being killed), is interaction and
intention.
These days, say you used complex digital effects to create a full,
absolutely realistic gladiatorial arena in which virtual gladiators
sliced and diced each other just for your entertainment, ---- well while
some immature people would probably be of the ooooh blood, oooh goood
mentality, I don't think it'd satisfy most people. heck, the common
cryticism of many Hollywood films is that they devolve into just this,
ie, violence and action for no particularly good reason according to the
plot, (and yes, some coorporations and film directors do take advantage
of this).
This is why I find intention as much of interest as the violence. With
the Gladiatorial arena the intention was usually just spactacle for the
sake of spectacle, ---- or occasionally execution as public deterrent
much as hangings or other executions were treated in western society
throughout history.
I'm not sure myself whether most people in society, or at least those
with brains would be satisfied with just that sort of spectacle, or
whether we'd want something more engaging with story and characters
(remember in rome both the theatre and the novel were in their infancy).
As an interesting point however, though films like Gladiator and
sparticus show the gladiators outside the arena being treated with really
inhuman cruelty, being beaten, starved, locked up etc, actual historical
evidence is that gladiators lived a pretty good life when not fighting
and many were treated as celebrities throughout roman society despite
being slaves. i always find it interesting that in Rome only two groups
in society had hospitals. Wealthy citizens could personally employ a
surgion or a healer, and of course the poor had to make do, but only two
groups got free medical care and a hospital in the modern sense with
regular health checks, ---- the army, and gladiators!
Indeed, Claudius Galen one of the founding minds of western medicine, the
first to construct a human skeleton, build artifician limbs and at least
diagnose several diseases was a surgion in a gladiator hospital in
Alexandra.
So, bad as the Romans were, maybe they weren't all bad :D.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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