Hi, But this is a point though that I've made time and time and time again on this list. How many people outside of this little community actually know about audyssey and said games? Very few people. I only found out by word of mouth and quite frankly word of mouth just isn't good enough. I do my bit where I can and tell people about these games but the point is, if people just aren't going to invest in advertising, then quite honestly, they'll never sell. Ok so Phil's site has a list of games. So does whitestick. And other such sites but they are targeted purely inwardly at this community. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work. I've asked this question before and the question still stands. Why aren't people targeting the likes of the various blindness related organizations around the world with these games? Offering free demo's and the like? What about all in play, why not offer games as part of a poker competition? I've not seen 1 all in play competition where by a game developer from this list has actually stepped up to the plate and offered x amount of keys to winners of said competition.
Yes I accept that a lot of these guys are 1 man bands, but if you don't invest, you don't get anything back. You can't just slap a game out there and hope that somebody will buy it. That's just pointless and being frank about it, bad business sense quite honestly. They will never get off the ground and make money of any kind or even cover their costs if they aren't prepared to do some good old advertising. Another point here. How many game clones are there out here now that are in affect, in breech of copy write. Shades of doom, pacman as well. Both brilliant creations, I'm not even saying that they aren't they are excellent. Pacman especially it's the best one of the bunch if you ask me from what I've seen so far. Because you really do lose nothing from playing the original game or this game. So another reason why these developers cannot advertise properly. Because half of the content isn't even legal. And sorry I'm going to say it. People really should stop hashing up games from the passed and instead look forward to the future. Investigate the possibility of making said content legal. Try and negotiate deals with the various companies and the like. Even prepare code that you've written up and submit it to them. Prove that it can be done. To my mind, there is a whole lot more to making things accessible than just by saying, ok lets just slap this together and hoping it sells, where is this actually getting anybody. Nowhere. Where is the awareness? Who's making people aware that there is: 1. a demand for these games. 2. proof that said games can be either coded or adapted such as audio quaik. Now there is proof if any that things can be done to make things work. It's only because in touch have come on this list and asked about it that we're debating this again, and I really do hope that some of these points really do get aired on the show I honestly do. It puts the word out. Since this was first posted, only Thomas, as far as I know out of the game developers has come up and made a good comment on the state of play with games. Good for you for saying what you did!! But equally, this pointless rehashing the passed really does have to stop. I haven't bought a blind friendly game for ages because I look at half the titles and I think, I've played that before or something very like it, some of it I could even have in 1 form or other on my old mega drive so why would I want to buy it again? There's a lot to be said for opening up to the wider community at large and seeing exactly what you can find. -----Original Message----- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: 28 February 2009 13:14 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games True enough. I would wager that most of the sidescrollers could be made accessible with the efforts of a good programmer and audio person who took sound seriously as a means of conveying functional information rather than window dressing. Surreal Horrizons was extremely close to releasing a splendid version of Asteroids for us. I dearly wish that had not been abandonned. We've seen more than one racing game now. I would also think a lot of puzzle games could be done. The economics just aren't there to attract people yet. Unless they are in some way personally connected to the blind community, it's very unlikely we'll see their efforts directed at us. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games > Hi, > > The point is, a lot of these so-called accessible games are nothing > more than rince and repete type games. Which actually does annoy me > because so much more could be done and yet isn't. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] > On Behalf Of Constantine > Sent: 28 February 2009 01:50 > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games > > > Hi > > I'm a classic gamer myself. I think I'm one in 1000000 because there > doesn't seem to be much interest here. > > Anyway, onto my report - I'll make this as detailed as I can, sorta. > > Well, to start off with, I own a sega genesis, soon to own a sega cd, > 3do and dreamcast - I also own a n64, and gamecube. > > Sega Genesis: > Well, this heres pretty obvious - the 16 bit lovable genesis released > in > > 1989. Anyway, the best beat-em-up ever is Streets of rage. Its one of > my all time favorite games - and while I can't beat it, I can get to > level 4 pretty > easy - I made it to level 5 once, but that was by luck. If I practiced > enough, I could beat it - but I get enough enjoyment out of it that > beating > it doesn't matter to me. > Mortal kombat 1, 2, and 3 - Well, fighting. Nothing talks, but I don't > care. > I'm slowly learning all the moves. I love mk 3, though, its got the > coolest > music, and my favorite MK character of all - nightwolf! > > Sega CD: > This heres an add on to the genesis. Its got the same color pallit - > but > > better sound, more storage space - which means more things talk and > more > > accessibility is here... > Mortal Kombat for this system wasn't widely recognized. Bad graphics. > Jesus. Who cares about graphics! > Its basically MK1 for the genesis revamped to have characters names > spoken, > and music from the arcade version. The most horrible thing here though > is > the load times. Nearly 30 seconds between each fight. If you do a > fatality, > you have to wait about a second before it actually does it. Keep in mind > I'm only brushing the top. I could go into much more details > over each game, each system, etc. > I'm missing a system or two here - but you get the idea. Mostly fighting > > games - but then again, Rush 2: extreme racing for the n64 was and > still is one of the coolest racing games of all time. > > > contact details: > > email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca > > and others > msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com > skype: the_conman283 > > system details: > Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc > AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, > Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mani Djazmi" <i_am_a_s...@hotmail.com> > To: <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:11 AM > Subject: [Audyssey] Accessible Mainstream Games > > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> my name's Mani Djazmi and I'm a reporter on the In Touch programme at >> BBC Radio 4 in England. 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