Hi Shaun,

Well, if there is one constant in the universe it is change. nothing stays the same forever. The people who can't change will always be hit the hardest, because they are unable or simply unwilling to change their ways. Although, there are usually some alternative that helps make the change possible.

For example, you mentioned Dos users who were perfectly happy with Dos. You know where many of those people are today? Do you know what they are using?

Its pretty simple. I happen to know some VI Linux users on the Blinux and Speakup lists who don't use Windows and they don't use the Linux graphical user interface. Many of those Dos fans who wouldn't change are using Debian or some other Linux distribution with a plane shell environment, use the Speakup screen reader, and text based apps like Nano, Alpine, Links, etc. They've found a nitche market that suits them, and effectively are using a text based environment that has the look and feel of Dos, but is being regularly updated and maintained.

My point is that we don't need an operating system specially made for the blind. There are plenty of off the shelf solutions for us to choose from. We don't have to settle for Windows 8 because there are other options available.

For instance, if I really hated the Unity graphical desktop environment on Ubuntu 12 I could simply install a different desktop environment. there is Gnome Classic, Xfce is currently being made accessible, KDE 4.8 is somewhat accessible, and they are continuing to be updated, made accessible, and supported. Plus not to mention a blind user doesn't even have to use a graphical environment and can use the shell with Speakup and text based programs if that suits. So if one thing doesn't fly there is another option around the corner weather someone chooses to use it or not.

There is no need to get worked up over this new technology and being scared that we'll have no access. Windows 8 is functionally usable if not as easily as XP. If that doesn't suit there is Mac and Linux which is an investment in time and money, but is an option if people really don't want to go down the Windows route.

Cheers!

On 4/23/2012 12:30 AM, shaun everiss wrote:
I aggree with you in part, but not fully.
Does anyknow or has anyone researched how long it takes us to catch up period? True ms is giving people a fair go, nvda is already going to the metro system I see it on the list, however, to be honest, for what we pay or are forced to pay for the comercial readers myself I wander how we can keep up.
how will we afford something.
I am not talking about the new borns, all the current to future generations will more than likely take it as standard and be able to handle it all. Its like the people that were dos guys to those that just used an icon interface. Now if something majorly goes wrong, just put a disk in and a reformat later its all fixed as reformatting always fixes things.
Those people don't have time to worry.
How for old fullas like myself I must say I am slightly scared of the touch screen, not against it but scared.
THe keyboard for me is the way to go but then I used it always.
If I were born again, i'd get a braille computer and a mac, windows would be a vertual machine maybe but I'd have a mac maybe a touch screen because it rocks. However I started with dos and now windows and have invested to much to go back. Its doubt for falas like me that we will find it easy to change to what is a unknow and forign viewpoint. Sure it probably makes sence I have no doubt that it does and I am sure once we are adapted to the new borg we will be happy in our function. However we are not borg and therefore it will take ages if at all for some of us to adapt.
I plan to go 7 at some point but still keep an xp box.
I don't need to upgrade my phone and even if I do, its more than likely it will be an older tech third dition nokia once again with the hundred buck reader on it because for what I use it for I need little else.
That will change though.
If I can comfortably read the screen like everyone else then fine.
One thing I'd really like to do is view things like the sighted, pictures be announced, mouse movement feadback, etc.
To play a sighted game, etc.
This touch screen technology will probably develop that we can do that along with the ocr tech and we should be able to handle it.
There are now bounds.
Right now though the funds to buy all this stuff unless it becomes cheaper.
screen readers bar nvda are excluded and also voice synths.
Then there is the power vs need.
Its doubtfull where I am that I will need anymore than a core2 unit with 2gb ram running old windows xp. And unless life takes a big leap foreward I will be running xp till I die or as long as I can get it.
maybe 7 but sertainly not 8 or over unless it improves.
I guess once keyboards are dropped to a secondary device that will change.
However we were perfectly happy in dos.
back then it was special environments for the blind.
Though I don't care for segrigation by any means the way things are all going we need to decide if we even need the main stream oses anymore. It may be time to go back to a cut down os just for the blind at least for the short term.
Then again I  may be totally wrong.
This is the first major leap where we don't need to worry about whats on the screen and how its displayed but what we input. We either can try to incoperate it into what we do or just make sence of it. I do aggree that its time we catch up with android google chrome os and apple though. I wander how they do that in ubuntu, and how the vinux system will handle it.


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