Well the columns are not to bad neither are the ribbons though I am an old dos hacker that likes to fly by the seat of my pants. If you never had to gut your config.sys to fix a problem or hack something on your box to optimise it knowing that at any second it could just go nuts and you'd have to start all over, well you don't have the drive.
In a way windows is a bit more restricting.
sure you can hack away but the registry is not happy you change one thing and will show it by taking out everything not just one module. A reformat is required to make it all work again and hence I don't touch things unless I need to. I also like the search boxes the fact I don't have to navigate stupid columns or lists like I have to do in xp really helps me a lot.
even if I know part of what I want thats fine.
I think for now we will have to have all our icons in folders on the desktop and navigate that that way annoying that it is.

At 02:09 p.m. 22/04/2012 +0100, you wrote:
I think keyboards will always be around for typing and word processing, which is a major part of business, since it's very difficult to imagine say stenography or other forms of dictation being done on a touch screen device.

that being said, i have noticed a general trend in all sorts of media devices to present as much information in a single place as possible, adds, flashy arrows, and other stuff not withstanding. This is why windows 7 and 8 has the stupid columns layout, so that sighted people don't have to go through multiple screens of information and can have the lot in one place for quick visual overview, which is pretty bad for Vi users since that sort of layout is much more confusing.

This is not just on pcs, but on touch screen devices, console game interfaces and lots of things, look at the wii mote and it's use in menues with floating icons (thank you nintendo!).

On the plus side, some of these moves have not worked, ie, ribbons, and personalization seems a pretty major thing as well, so it might be that we end up with devices that have! touch screens with large informational displays, but which can be altered in their display settings to show less information, ---- we'll just have to see.

then again, the world economic situation at the moment is so loopy, goodness knows what is going to happen to technological developement over the next few years, especially over the next 10 or 20 years when more people who are big internet users and gamers start becoming blind, ----- heck the webmaster of retroremakes.com is in his early 40's. Then of course there is voice control, a feature which lots of sighted users actually want as well since it offers a very much faster way of doing things, and one which I think we'll be seeing increase, ----- assuming the world doesn't go blong with some sort of cataclysmic economic and/or military crash, which unfortunately also seems quite a possibility.

So, it's probably going to be a case of wait and see what happens, find ways that work for you personally, and watch where the over all trends go.

Beware the Grue!

dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Desiree Oudinot" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks


Hi Damien,
Well, we're way past the point where devices with keyboards will be as
heavily marketed as they used to be. Unfortunately, what most people
are saying is true--the demand for touch screens is a lot higher than
the demand for buttons and keyboards. Just look at home appliances
that only use touch screens, forcing us to either label them or search
for longer than we should have to for older models that are more
accessible. My attitude is that, you may have to jump through a few
hoops down the road to get the technology you want if you stick to
what works for you, but it should pay off in the end. While I
definitely do think there's a possibility that all devices with
buttons could be fazed out, I don't think it's near enough in the
future that we need to panic or complain about it for now. I'm going
to cross that bridge when I come to it, if it ever even happens.

On 4/21/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
This is only the first attempt. I don't doubt that in the future they'll be
able to be made even more accessible than they are now.



Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca!
-----Original Message-----
From: Damien Pendleton
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 3:06 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks

Hi Brian,
What I'm trying to say is, the very nature of a touch screen device makes it
seem rather inaccessible, no matter how many attempts and tweaks you make at
it. It'd be like giving a computer user a mouse, a screenreader, but no
keyboard. The fact is, blind people cannot see the screen, so it would take
them way longer than should be necessary to access things that could be
accessed in seconds.
As for the button-style cases, again. Good plan, if it weren't for the fact
that the screen was constantly changing, and therefore you're still tapping,
or pressing, for longer than necessary, trying to find what you need. There
are only two buttons on a Simbian based Nokia at least, that change on a
regular basis. Those are your two soft keys, and talks always announces them
to you before you even press them.
Regards,
Damien.


----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks


I'd say that the fact that Apple attempted to develop a way to make touch
screens accessible is a big score in their favor, not an attempt to con
the law.



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Titicaca!


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