Great idea.  Although I am mostly a Lisp newbie, I'll hang out there
whenever I am coding (which isn't that often right now, but hey)

Cheers
Brad

On 2/9/06, Clemens Fruhwirth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Short story: Join #cl-gardeners.
> Long story:
>
> Xach posted
>
> http://blog.roberthahn.ca/articles/2006/02/09/lisp-first-impressions
>
> on #lisp on FreeNode. Yes, this blog entry has some attitude problems,
> however the main point the blogger has is right:
>
> #lisp is a channel for experienced CL programmers, and not primarily for
> asking trivial lisp newcomer questions. Of course, not all of these
> questions are valid. Some of those people joining #lisp simply want to
> get their homework done (preferably by others). But sometimes there are
> people that seriously want to learn Lisp. Every single one that is not
> sucked into the Common Lisp community is a loss that might not be
> quantified. And selfish as I am, I simply dislike the idea that there
> are any obstacles for lisp newcomers to start writing lisp code that
> someday I might be able to use :).
>
> The plan is to build a channel where newcomers can ask question and
> eventually get answer by newcomers. You don't have to fortuneteller to
> predict that sometimes newbies can answer questions by other newbies
> better than an experienced CL. And in most cases, both parties gain
> knowledge. (The unexperienced newbie by getting an answer, the
> semi-experienced newbie by repeating his partially acquired knowledge;
> you'll find that learning technique in every serious "teachers
> handbook")
>
> The channel should be on FreeNode. The reason is that when the guys on
> #lisp are busy or simply don't want to give an answer, they can send off
> the help seeker to #cl-gardeners.
>
> To actually gain any social momentum, it is required that there are a
> few experienced CL coders on #cl-gardeners that are willing to help out
> for the first few months. So, if you are interested join #cl-gardeners
> on FreeNode, irc.freenode.net or http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
>
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