Jim,
I wonder of the gasifier groups in Finland and Sweden who have been represented on this list have done gas analysis. We have certainly seen some reuse of WWI equipment http://www.vedbil.se http://www.woodgas.fi http://www.ekoautoilijat.fi/tekstit/kalustoesittely.htm I saw a German gas producer last month in a museum in Northeastern Brazil. It had been one of the "gaseificadores" used in 1943 to run tractors on a sugar plantation. They did show a film of plowing with the gasifier powered tractor but unfortunately pictures and probing were not allowed in the museum. Tom Miles From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jim mason Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 12:12 PM To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification Subject: Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real live imbert gasifier here On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas reed <[email protected]> wrote: Jim: Sounds like a very instructive visit. We saw one in less detail in a Danish museum. Pics are great... tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that you had a real imbert early at nrel. somehow i seem to remember some story of you running wood pellets in it. am i remembering this correctly? it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to run with full instrumentation. while i can wave hands about what i saw and how it likely ran in relation to what we know now, a proper run with the equivalent datalogging we use on ours would be highly informing. unlikely we'd ever get the dm unit to do this. maybe we can find/borrow one from elsewhere. tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides. the interesting parts are all the insides of the reactor, and how elaborate the filtering system was. j TOM REED On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Ronald Hongsermeier <[email protected]> wrote: jim, forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post ron _____ Von: "jim mason" <[email protected]> Gesendet: 31.10.2010 18:05:26 An: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" <[email protected]> Betreff: Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real live imbert gasifier here On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen <[email protected]> wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message <[email protected]>: > i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches museum. > > http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002 <http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages> &c=newimages > > also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an imbert gasifier ..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather, when where they last serviced or modified? both i now realize have been rebuilt, or rather, cleaned up and rerun in more contemporary times. the specifics of this i have yet to figure out. with a little more work we likely can. the history of the exhibits in the dm is very well kept. another interesting thing that surfaced is that the dm has a very large archive where they collect and keep machinery manuals, brochures and general consumable literature on these type of devices. it is very likely there is some interesting things to discover there too. either way, as for these machines, they've had some attention and been run in more recent times. the fuel in the adler one is more recently cut dimensioned lumber, not the wwII fuel. i took some samples from the char at various levels if we want to explore it. the filters on the adler have been cleaned and repainted and never run after. the yellow thing in the picture with me is a baffle plate array from the horizontal ash tube on the side of the reactor. the baffle array was brand new. the tube and all plumbing was original. the water filter and packed bed in the front were cleaned out, but still original. the reactor itself is unrestored, like the rest of the adler. all the vessels show some rust and age, but are still well intact. they seem to be either 16 or 18awg mild steel. the hearth is cast, about 1/4 - 3/8" thick. the ford truck has had a full off frame restoration. they appear to have done the gasifier at the same time. then ran it again, as the bottom of the reactor has all the paint burned off, just like ours! the water filter was very messy inside. i didn't see in the rest as i didn't have permission for that one. the dm runs lots of their equipment. they do demos for visitors, and appear to take some out for special ocassions. it is far from a hands on museum, but they do run and move around the equipment it appears. there are pictures of various machines in parades and such. the dm is a major national project, and they enjoy showing some of the accomplishments. there are a good deal of steam engines set up to run on compressed air within the museum. several of the very large ones, like the watt engine, are run on compressed air. the whole room smells of machine oil. some of the ic engines simiarly have exhaust pipes ported to vents so they can be run. somehow in this, both of the gasifiers were run recently. not a ton, but a bit, and certainly more recently than wwII. j > > > and a hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to rediscover. i saw > > > lots of expedience, simplicity, and band aids. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gasification mailing list > > > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > > [email protected] > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg > > ylists.org<http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lis ts.bioenerg%0Aylists.org> > > > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gasification mailing list > > > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > > [email protected] > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg ylists.org > > > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... 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