great discussion you have made about the history of Imbert gasifier....
All these motivate me a lot to visiter the museum in Munich by myself.....
Thanks for sharing these with us.
Li
Le 31/10/2010 20:11, jim mason a écrit :
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas reed <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Jim:
Sounds like a very instructive visit. We saw one in less detail
in a Danish museum. Pics are great...
tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that you had
a real imbert early at nrel. somehow i seem to remember some story of
you running wood pellets in it. am i remembering this correctly?
it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to run
with full instrumentation. while i can wave hands about what i saw
and how it likely ran in relation to what we know now, a proper run
with the equivalent datalogging we use on ours would be highly
informing. unlikely we'd ever get the dm unit to do this. maybe we
can find/borrow one from elsewhere.
tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides. the interesting
parts are all the insides of the reactor, and how elaborate the
filtering system was.
j
TOM REED
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Ronald Hongsermeier
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
jim,
forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post
ron
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*Betreff:* Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich-
there's a real live imbert gasifier here
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message
<[email protected]
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> i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches
museum.
>
> http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages
<http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages>
>
> also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an
imbert gasifier
..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather,
when where they last serviced or modified?
both i now realize have been rebuilt, or rather, cleaned
up and rerun in more contemporary times. the specifics of
this i have yet to figure out. with a little more work we
likely can. the history of the exhibits in the dm is very
well kept. another interesting thing that surfaced is
that the dm has a very large archive where they collect
and keep machinery manuals, brochures and general
consumable literature on these type of devices. it is
very likely there is some interesting things to discover
there too.
either way, as for these machines, they've had some
attention and been run in more recent times. the fuel in
the adler one is more recently cut dimensioned lumber, not
the wwII fuel. i took some samples from the char at
various levels if we want to explore it.
the filters on the adler have been cleaned and repainted
and never run after. the yellow thing in the picture with
me is a baffle plate array from the horizontal ash tube on
the side of the reactor. the baffle array was brand new.
the tube and all plumbing was original. the water filter
and packed bed in the front were cleaned out, but still
original. the reactor itself is unrestored, like the rest
of the adler. all the vessels show some rust and age, but
are still well intact. they seem to be either 16 or 18awg
mild steel. the hearth is cast, about 1/4 - 3/8" thick.
the ford truck has had a full off frame restoration. they
appear to have done the gasifier at the same time. then
ran it again, as the bottom of the reactor has all the
paint burned off, just like ours! the water filter was
very messy inside. i didn't see in the rest as i didn't
have permission for that one.
the dm runs lots of their equipment. they do demos for
visitors, and appear to take some out for special
ocassions. it is far from a hands on museum, but they do
run and move around the equipment it appears. there are
pictures of various machines in parades and such. the dm
is a major national project, and they enjoy showing some
of the accomplishments. there are a good deal of steam
engines set up to run on compressed air within the
museum. several of the very large ones, like the watt
engine, are run on compressed air. the whole room smells
of machine oil. some of the ic engines simiarly have
exhaust pipes ported to vents so they can be run.
somehow in this, both of the gasifiers were run recently.
not a ton, but a bit, and certainly more recently than wwII.
j
> > > and a hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to
rediscover. i saw
> > > lots of expedience, simplicity, and band aids.
> >
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