Dear Bill You area breath of fresh air in these confused archives.
Humans guess, chemists know! Tom Dr Thomas B Reed President, The Biomass Energy Foundation www.Woodgas.com On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:48 PM, "Bill Klein" <[email protected]> wrote: > Well put, Doug > > I would like to stick my oar into this ever muddier pond. > > Diesel, kerosene, gasoline, petrol, producer gas, syngas, woodgas and a rose . > > We know what these are, but, it seems, some who are not too familiar with the > words would do well to learn what each is rather than trying to change > something of which they have limited knowledge. > > Get over it and deal with reality! > > East is east and west is west. Producer gas is well known by those of us who > spend their lives smelling it. I've made syngas. Like most things, it doesn't > smell like producer gas. > > Still not convinced? > > A rose, by any other name is still a rose! > > > Respectfully, > > Bill Klein > 3i > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: doug.williams > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas, why not just fix it? > > Hi Pete and Colleagues, > > Seeing as you ask, this is what can be offered: > > > This topic sure has taken up a lot of time. > > We can talk about multiple subjects at the same time on this forum, and you > select that which interests you the most. However, there are not many who > contribute enough to keep minds interested in the mundane issues like correct > use of terminology. > > >Why not just fix it if y'all don't like it the way it is? > > This forum is an interest group and has no mandate from any authorizing body > to set standards or definitions. We are also very International in our > location, and therefore subject to working within certain set standards, set > by our administrations. > > > Earlier I suggested that the analysis of this mystery gas might fit > > into some numbering system, as is done with steel. > > We make gas that already has set boundaries as to it's correct > identification, but to create a system based on numbers would require > accurate gas analysis for everyone involved. Many factors can affect the gas > volumes,etc, depending on the scales of gas production, and fuels used, plus > seasonal variations that play havoc with the same process. > > > It seems to me that this group is the right one to do it. > > One could at least deal with the top half dozen components, couldn't one? > > Well, we certainly have plenty of knowledge, but we see only a fraction of > those belonging to this Forum contributing informed comment. > > > > Again, back to the steel analogy--- we don't have any problems talking > > about A36, 1018, W1, etc.. > > Having been defined by the steel industry, makes it easy for the steel > fabricators to use numbers. Shock horror if you aren't aware as an amateur > fabricator, and only think of iron,steel, tool steel, stainless steel, so not > everyone who talks about the subject, is on the same wave length. Like any > technology, you have to make the effort to learn about the differences, then > be more constructive in how you participate, > > > Maybe, a letter for the top component? > > Maybe a 2 tier system,; one for those gases with N2 and one for those > > without? > > Producer gas, and Syngas identify these two gases, how complicated is that to > understand? > > > Maybe someone could at least tell me why this shouldn't be done now? > > Quite simply, it has been done, but clearly some would rather ignore correct > definitions for reasoning of their own. The market place remains very > confused by how gasification is presented, and the EU took the initiative in > 2008-9, to set guidelines that can be used by all involved, and be more > informed with gasification projects. It's was a huge job, involved many > institutions, and is only a beginning to bring some order into the > implementation of gasification. The work has to be seen as on-going, and > maybe we can ask Harrie Knoef of BTG to explain their progress, as I have > current no on-line reference. > > Doug Williams, > Fluidyne. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
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