Dear Anand Of course, CO2.
I live in Massachusetts, a heavily forested state. There are lots of green leaves, but mostly up in the trees, so not available like Ag residues. In a few months they will fall. Will these leaves work? ( I presume not, because the tree takes the nutrients underground before pushing off the husk.) Tom Reed Dr Thomas B Reed President, The Biomass Energy Foundation www.Woodgas.com On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Tom, > the right hand side of the equation should read CH4 +CO2. Secondly, > one can use green leaves as feedstock in a biogas plant. > They are always available in a tropical country like India, but may > not be available in winter in Ukraine. For use in winter, one grows > sugarbeet, which can be harvested in October and the harvested beet > can stay in the open throughout the winter. In Germany they use corn > as feedstock, but I feel that the advantage of sugarbeet lies in the > fact that its biomass contains less lignin than other crops. > Yours > A.D.Karve > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Thomas Reed <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear Phillip >> >> The power generation sounds interesting. >> >> What is the feed sock for the digester? Carbohydrates? >> >> 2 CH2O ===> CH4 + H2O. >> >> A dr, carve in India has built a small digestor that produces all the >> methane needed to cook the meals. >> >> I suppose a larger digester could supply the electric power too. >> >> Keep talking... >> >> Tom Reed >> >> Dr Thomas B Reed >> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation >> www.Woodgas.com >> >> On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:03 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Its good to hear from you. I taught ESL in Korea for six years and >>> instead of coming back to the US directly, I went to Kiev and stayed >>> in East Europe for year. I went to Moldova, Poland and Romania too. >>> I lived on the money I saved while in Korea and my Fed government >>> pension. I was poor there and I didn't do much but work on a website >>> that was inspired by my Fed time. I made a large Freedom of >>> Information Act program and I did most of the work in cafe's with free >>> WiFi. >>> >>> Melitopol is in the Russian half of Ukraine, I generally like the >>> Ukies better than the Russians but I think the women are more >>> attractive. I've been to Melitopol twice already. No one visits >>> Melitopol, its kind of a hole. Anna is an ethnic Russian living in >>> Ukraine. >>> >>> http://khersongirls.com - that is the agency I recommend. Consider >>> all of the others as scams. I've met the owner and I've been to the >>> office many times. >>> >>> >>> If you want to get involved with my "Gold" project you are welcome. >>> Its gonna take some money but not much. My investor advisor says to >>> make the lab reactor and then the GEK scale reactor. I think the lab >>> reactor will look like this... >>> >>> http://www.chemglass.com/product_view.asp?pnr=CLS-1404 >>> >>> I don't want to appear as a Johnny come lately into biofuels but it >>> kind of looks that way. I was an electrican in the navy a long time >>> ago and I said I'd return to power generation if the things were >>> right. The concept is complicated, the practice is easy. Once the >>> gens run, there is no work to do. You just need to check the engines >>> twice a day and that takes 20 minutes max each time. You really have >>> the whole day off for the next fifteen years if you get a contract. >>> >>> That's whats up. >>> >>> Phillip >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Thomas Reed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> So, do you have an office in Melitopol? Looks like it's close to the >>>> black sea. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Dr Thomas B Reed >>>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation >>>> www.Woodgas.com >>>> >>>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:25 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Dr. Reed, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the concern. I had to pay bills for two months and then I >>>>> needed some cash so I can go marriage agency dates in Ukraine. I >>>>> lived in Ukraine for a year so I kinda know whats up. I found a woman >>>>> there that likes me. She looks like Meagan Fox but she has larger >>>>> breasts. She sells cosmetics and lives in Melitopol. I work next to >>>>> a corporate lake and the lake is feed by storm run off. The lake has >>>>> some good wildlife and I have taken to turtle rescue when the chelons >>>>> get stuck in the drainage pipes. I got ten already. I have a snapper >>>>> hatchling and hand sized softshell on a shelf by my desk. >>>>> >>>>> That's pretty cool Phil but it has nothing to with biomass. >>>>> >>>>> I don't talk about gasifiers here because I don't know Jack. >>>>> Sometimes you just need to shut up and listen. >>>>> >>>>> Yea so I decided I should read about the matter. >>>>> This book is great. >>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Transportation-Biofuels-Production-Biodiesel-Chemistry/dp/1849730431 >>>>> >>>>> I got an eCopy if you want to see the relevant material. The methane >>>>> part looks way doable and in fact I'm slowly working on that. I found >>>>> sciencedirect.com which has a great index and all of the papers on the >>>>> matter are availalbe for free at the uni library but I don't have my >>>>> Indiana drives lic/ID yet so its another two weeks. The papers come >>>>> to $4500 if I have to pay. >>>>> >>>>> I wrote an executive summary for someone at GoBig and I after I sent >>>>> that off they asked for an executive summary and asked a few other >>>>> questions. I made a good post at GEK and I got ass kissy with Mr. >>>>> Mason trying to amend my earlier offences. >>>>> >>>>> Whats up with you Tom? >>>>> >>>>> Warmest Regards >>>>> >>>>> Phillip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Phillip Manske >>>>> 195 w Puetz Rd h-114 >>>>> Oak Creek WI, 53154 >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Alchemy Fuels Executive Summary >>>>> Saturday, July 16, 2011 >>>>> >>>>> The Energy Policy Act of 2005 has mandated that investor owned >>>>> utilities must provide a certain amount of the energy they provide >>>>> must be sourced from renewable sources. This amount has been >>>>> regulated to grow both now and in the future. To date, wind and solar >>>>> sources have been providing most of this energy while biomass sourced >>>>> energy has lagged. Utilities have been rejecting new applications for >>>>> wind and solar energies while courting biomass providers as many slots >>>>> are still open. Alchemy has determined a course to make low cost >>>>> biofuel to fulfill these requirements is a realistic and profitable >>>>> goal. >>>>> >>>>> After reviewing scientific literature on the matter I, (working as >>>>> Alchemy Fuels) have decided that a two stage reactor designed to make >>>>> methane is the most efficient route to a biofuel called “biogas”. >>>>> This method was developed early in the biofuels research efforts and >>>>> then abandoned in favor of ethanol and other more lucrative >>>>> transportation fuels. Methane is a well founded and well functioning >>>>> fuel for generators designed to work with natural gas. This process >>>>> is well reviewed and appreciated by the scientific community for its >>>>> ease use and lack of exotic requirements. It can be described as a >>>>> methane digester without the required tons of manure feedstock. The >>>>> research was pioneered by a scientist named Gaddy who founded a >>>>> company called BRI. The process is referred as the microbial catalyst >>>>> cellulosic fuel pathway. >>>>> >>>>> The process uses the output from gasifiers that use wood mass as a >>>>> feedstock. A handful of gases are provided by the gasifier with the >>>>> most important being carbon monoxide and the lesser gases being >>>>> hydrogen, carbon dioxide and methane. All of the gasses are used in >>>>> the process. The first stage of the process uses a bacteria called p. >>>>> productus that uses the CO for growth and CO2 for the production of >>>>> acetate which is the feedstock for the second and final stage where a >>>>> bacteria called m. barkeri uses the acetate and hydrogen to make >>>>> methane. Methane, unlike ethanol , does not need distilling which >>>>> saves considerable effort, energy and money. >>>>> >>>>> The market for the gas or gas use comes from the aforementioned lack >>>>> of biomass energy providers. Contract length is from 10 – 20 years, >>>>> amount of sale is typically 800 kilo watts per hour and the >>>>> compensation is from $.10 - $.15 per Kw hour. Providers are >>>>> typically allowed to provide 24 hours a day. Demand may vary but >>>>> demand is typically strong. Biogas contracts are generally designed >>>>> for methane digesters but this type of process meets the legal >>>>> definition of biogas even without the $1 million digester. >>>>> >>>>> This is a niche market but it can provide excellent returns and a >>>>> number of contracts can be signed simultaneously. Sales are assured, >>>>> no distribution network is required. Plants like this operate at a >>>>> technician level and not an engineer or scientist level. There are >>>>> few critical points that may induce failure. The required insurance >>>>> is difficult to get but I have found a provider and at least one work >>>>> around method. >>>>> >>>>> Plants should be located near the biomass source to save money on >>>>> transportation and when the gas is made, it can be shipped at much >>>>> less expense to the generating facilities . The plants will be >>>>> filled with wood biomass, gasifiers and vats that look like >>>>> microbrewery vats. >>>>> >>>>> Being averse to large expenditures, I recommend a modest approach to >>>>> first make a five gallon reactor using bottled gas, then a system >>>>> using a small gasifier and then finally a system scaled to produce >>>>> fuel at the rate to meet the 800 kwh limit. >>>>> >>>>> The described process above is worth study and investment. The >>>>> science is sound, the investment and risk is small, operating overhead >>>>> is very low and sales are guaranteed. It appears margins should be >>>>> very wide unlike typical margins that are available to investors. >>>>> >>>>> Questions may be directed to me at the email address above. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Phillip Manske >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Reed <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Phil >>>>>> I haven't heard your name for.a decade or so. What cooks in biomass? >>>>>> Tom Reed >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr Thomas B Reed >>>>>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation >>>>>> www.Woodgas.com >>>>>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:04 PM, >>>>>> "[email protected]"<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gasification mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >>>>>> >>>>>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >>>>>> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gasification mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >>>>>> >>>>>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >>>>>> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gasification mailing list >>>>> >>>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >>>>> >>>>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >>>>> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gasification mailing list >>>> >>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >>>> >>>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >>>> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gasification mailing list >>> >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>> [email protected] >>> >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >>> >>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >>> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gasification mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> > > > > -- > *** > Dr. A.D. 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