List,

I do not understand German, so I only saw the video. What is the price tag? And what is the thermal output? And what is the quantity (char weight percentage of input fuel)?

Paul

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On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Energies Naturals C.B. wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1Ki-ngFjE

Never seen before in heating boilers,clever!

Rolf


On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:33:30 +1300
Doug <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Paul and Rolf,

Pyrolytic  gas can be quite wet so precise temperatures are risky to
quote. What I can tell you from experience, is that it always burns
hotter than clean producer gas, upwards of 1,050C, a basic tar test for
cleaner specification gas, 13-1500C is a rough rule of thumb for gas
exiting the combustion chamber. It has a very high radiation factor
useful for refractory application, but the price for this is that you
will get a high ash content in the kiln and flue dust emissions.

The actual combustion is complex, but achievable in a non regulated
situation, emissions being the issue, both dust and toxic gas CO,CH4,
and Dioxins. Combustion of these gases have been our focus for some 6-7
years, and current work at CalForest in California, is to use this gas
to dry the incoming fuel to the charmaker.

   Might be able to offer more later as you develop the concept.

Doug Williams.

On 04/01/17 12:20, Paul Anderson wrote:

Rolf,

I am responding to your two messages that are repeated below.

I am definitely with you on this matter of making heat AND making
char.   I have lots of experience with small scale devices, and
moderate experience up to 200 kW thermal.

Yes, BOTH the heat and the char are important, and help to pay for the
other one.

Before taking the discussion off-list, could you please tell all of us
about your needs and about your resources.   No solution is free from
the development costs.   Does the kiln already exist (or is that
another cost to be covered?)   And we want to find out who else has a
"burning" interest in this.   (This was 2/3rds of  a pun.   2/3rds
is   P   U  ; as in pew!!)  (With full respect for the non-native
English speakers on this listserv, here is then meaning of the joke:
Wordwizard • View topic - *PEW* !! whats that??
<http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421>
http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421 mj (a.k.a.
Michael), The word *PEW*! has been around a bit more than decades (
see ... 2) [1859] Expressing disgust at an unpleasant *smell*.
And where it happens does make a difference, such as with labor costs.
   You are in Mexico.   In what part?   Plenty of dry biomass??  Please
send info.   Okay if in Spanish (I can read that, and if others
cannot, we will cross that bridge when necessary).

Do you know Noel C. of forestry in Mexico?   Could this become a
Mexico project?

Question for everyone:  When "woodgas" (pyrolytic gases) come off of
the biomass, what is the highest temperatures at which they can be
burned?   That would be with stochiometric combustion, right? Just the
right amount of air.


Paul



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