Hi Tom, In which community did what gasifier fail?
Here a list of Chinese suppliers; https://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/Biomass_Gasification_Power_Plant.html <https://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/Biomass_Gasification_Power_Plant.html> https://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/Biomass_Gasification.html <https://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/Biomass_Gasification.html> https://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/CN/gasification-plant.html <https://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/CN/gasification-plant.html> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/biomass-gasification-power-generation-plant_1741232123.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.5.1fa075c2MGc5rs <https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/biomass-gasification-power-generation-plant_1741232123.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.5.1fa075c2MGc5rs> Than there is this North American munufacturer; http://hosted-p0.vresp.com/1265205/a6b4a65160/ARCHIVE#like <http://hosted-p0.vresp.com/1265205/a6b4a65160/ARCHIVE#like> Just this morning I started to do some research how many MW on electricity are produced in Germany by wood gasification. It may will take a few days till I will get some answers. Sincerely, Werner Rhein > On Sep 5, 2018, at 10:43, [email protected] wrote: > > Werner, > > The last review presentation that I saw on Chinese gasification was several > years ago. I heard that several of the village biomass gasification projects > had failed. If they are productive it would be good to learn about their > progress. Who are some Chinese suppliers that you would recommend looking at? > > Thanks > > Tom Miles > > From: Gasification <[email protected]> On Behalf > Of Werner Rhein > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 10:36 AM > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] ***SPAM*** Re: Fwd: Re: Anything going on? > > Leland, > > have you looked into what China is producing on Biomass Gasification units? > > They grabbed the ball and run with it. Their products are the most advanced > and economical I can find on this earth. > > Just Google it. > > Sincerely, > > Werner Rhein > > > > >> On Sep 5, 2018, at 06:08, Leland Taylor <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> The C. E. C. is asking for public comment on their proposal to take forest >> biomass and convert to Replacement Natural Gas as a way of reducing the cost >> of cleaning up the forests to reduce fire intensity. This could use >> gasification, but there are some assumptions which in working with the long >> pursuit of the United States Forest Service and other agencies prevent a >> technologically advanced process from happening and has been studied for >> decades. >> The USFS which has most of it's administrative offices here in >> Albuquerque had developed an interest in synthetic chemicals because of my >> bringing it to their attention. Their employee became the Regional and >> somewhat National Biomass Energy expert and was involved in the Range Fuels >> biomass to ethanol/methanol project which was a $328 mm failure and set back >> gasification and synthetic chemicals business, and the renewable fuels >> industry along with damaging the petroleum industry for not being able to >> mix non-food based produced alcohol into the gasoline supply. The US EPA and >> DOE both saw that the Range Fuels plant would produce so much alcohol that >> assuming it would work, created regulations requiring it's usage in >> gasoline, then when it failed, the oil companies were still required to do >> so, and were penalized some $9 mm/year for not doing so, and they went to >> court to stop the insanity and at the last I heard, the court agreed with >> the DoE. It may have been reversed on appeal. >> It is doubtful if this approach will work because: >> 1. Most gasification based synthetic chemical plants are too expensive >> because of the lack of innovation in their processes, power distribution and >> control architecture, and a list of other archaic processes they have used >> without innovation: >> 2. No one has a good handle on gas cooling and cleaning which has been >> shown to be simple and effective but not incorporated into the industry. >> 3. Water treatment is expensive and even the best either continue to dump >> the water into prime movers like engines shortening their lifetime or >> reducing the power density of the engine, or into tanks that have to be >> drained and disposed of in landfills or other unacceptable methods. >> 4. The facility needs to be semi-mobile because of the cost of transport >> of harvested biomass beyond a certain radius increases the feed cost >> excessively. A pipeline quality gas supply implies a fixed facility unless >> converted to LNG or CNG which are typically expensive. >> 5. Catalyst development has allowed for improved to the point where >> instead of a 30% diesel MW product from a Fischer-Tropsch catalyst, newer >> ones can produce 80% diesel MW product, significantly reducing the cost of >> upgrading to commercially acceptable diesel fuel. Other products can also be >> produced including chemicals that are not subject to the wild fluctuations >> in pricing as the petroleum recent changes have shown, but are stable over a >> long period making financial commitments much more secure about investing. >> The two synthetic chemical gasification plants which are reportedly >> working do not incorporate these technologies and are hugely expensive. >> After watching the continuous stream of failures in the gasification >> industry, it is a wonder there is even anyone still working in it as there >> is vast opportunity for it's exciting involvement in major operations, but >> the clinging to the past processes is a sure recipe for failure. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Leland T. Taylor >> Thermogenics Inc. >> +001-505-463-8422 >> www.thermogenicx.com <http://www.thermogenicx.com/> >> Skype: ltt.invent >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Stuart <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2018 4:22 am >> Subject: [Gasification] Fwd: Re: Anything going on? >> >> >> >> >> My HVAC education was recently improved regarding heat storage. For >> decades, I have been waiting for a system using glauber's salt, but it turns >> out to be unstable as well as otherwise problematic. However, paraffin >> candle wax also has a high heat of fusion in the right temperature range. 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