And I say more punishment just because it's the semis and they deserve it for being ugly! Think about it... Would you wear a shirt that looked like that? Oliver
-----Original Message----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:34 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right Jay..... This is funny. This looks like a big deal. The FSU offical announcement makes it look like no big deal. I say more punishment is necessary because FSU does not think this is a big deal :-) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right Jay..... From: "Dr. Caffeine " <[email protected]> Date: Fri, March 06, 2009 4:16 pm To: [email protected] They is vacation penalty. Here is from official announcement. The penalties in this case are as follows: * Public reprimand and censure. * Four years of probation (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2013). * Scholarship reductions in football; men's and women's basketball; men's and women's swimming; men's and women's track and field; baseball; softball; and men's golf. Additional details are available in the public report. * Vacation of all wins in which the 61 student-athletes in the sports of football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track, men's golf, baseball and softball competed while ineligible during 2006 and 2007. This includes regular season contests, postseason contests and any NCAA championship competition. The individual records of the student-athletes shall be vacated as well. Further, the institution's records regarding all of the involved sports, as well as the records of the head coaches of those sports will reflect the vacated records and will be recorded in all publications in which these records are reported, including, but not limited to, institution media guides, recruiting material, electronic and digital media plus institution and NCAA archives. Any public reference to tournament performances won during this time shall be removed, including, but not limited to, athletics department stationery and banners displayed in public areas such as the venues in which the specified teams compete. * Five-year show-cause order for the former academic advisor (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2014). Additional details are available in the public report. * Four-year show-cause order for the former learning specialist (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2013). Additional details are available in the public report. * Three-year show-cause order for the former tutor (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2012). Additional details are available in the public report. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Steve McKibben <[email protected]> wrote: According to the Times, the NCAA's report, which this afternoon will be released to the public, says, "Had no vacation penalty been imposed, the scholarship limitations would have been more stringent." This makes no sense to me. The only one hurt in this is Bowden, who may be forced to concede the all time wins record to Joe Paterno now. Were the athletes, academic advisors, or administrators that were tasked to oversee the athletic department punished? Not so much. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a college football program. If the NCAA had wanted to make FSU feel the sting for it's cheating, to make them really regret their actions, and to send a message to any other programs that might be tempted to use the same shortcuts, they would have imposed scholarship reductions (such as the ones UF endured in the mid 80s) that would have hurt the program's ability to be competitive for a number of years to come. Considering that FSU was in a sticky situation of its own doing by having the clock ticking on a payout to coach in waiting Jimbo Fisher if he wasn't named the head coach by 2011, while at the same time being in the awkward position of not wanting to fire the man who made their program, the NCAA may have done them a favor. Having some of his ill gotten victories taken away may convince Bowden to give up his stubborn pursuit of the all time victories crown, and if he steps down (after the obligatory farewell tour in 2009) FSU will not only not have to pay the lump sum to Fisher, the program will finally be able to begin the post-Bowden era and get the breath of fresh air that it certainly needs to be a player on the national stage again. Color me disappointed that the NCAA once again proved to be a paper tiger. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
