FW: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right Jay.....As much as I hate to admit it, I'm plenty old enough to remember the sledge hammer the NCAA brought down on our football program. Did you mention the "no televised games" factor? That sucked!
I agree with you, Ed... this is a light tap on the wrist compared to the penalties imposed on us in the 80s. The punishment(s) did not and do not fit the crime(s), but maybe it's because the NCAA had such low expectations for FSU, given their history and the overall reputation of their athletic department. Cee ----- Original Message ----- From: Buck Shot To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right Jay..... I have to weigh in on this, because it is absolutely disgusting. The NCAA has essentially given FSU a free pass and get out of jail free card. First of all 26 of the 61 total atheletes caught cheating were football players. That is nearly one third of the entire team. The NCAA said that there was no lack of instutitional control. Give me a break, a third of the football team is cheating and all in the same class. Think about this. Just perhaps they were all steered toward this course to get them eligible. This was going on for at least two years. Now with all due respect to Jerry, who obviously has a kind and gentle heart, the forfeitfure of a few games is no big deal, because realize that when they determine which games to forfeit, FSU was losing an average of 5 -6 games a season, so there won't be many games to forfeit. Also he mentioned the devasting loss of the two NCAA Track championships, that is so insignificant. Probably 95% of fans did not even realize that they had won them in the first place. How many of you on this list knew and were aware of those two major titles? FSU should have to face major scholarship reductions, not the reversal of 3 - 5 games. I guess that too many of you are to young to remember how bad we were hammered by the NCAA. They reduced us to a total of 85 scholarships. The big problem was that in the 80's each school could have 95 on scholarship. We had to play an SEC schedule with a total loss of 30 scholarships, stripped of an SEC championship and no bowl games for 2 years, and 90 of the 105 "allegations" against us were for giving gym bags and T-Shirts to recruits. We didn't have any charges of academic malfeasance and the most serious charges were a couple of boosters getting out of line and spying on other teams practices two times. They penalized us 30 scholarships over 3 years and FSU only 6 scholarships over 3 years, and they are counting this year as one of them because FSU signed enough players to get them to 83 on scholarship. Folks they only have 2 more years to deal with this "3" year penalty. AAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rant over. :-P Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Barry To: Gatortalk Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: FW: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right Jay..... And I say more punishment just because it's the semis and they deserve it for being ugly! Think about it... Would you wear a shirt that looked like that? Oliver -----Original Message----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:34 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right Jay..... This is funny. This looks like a big deal. The FSU offical announcement makes it look like no big deal. I say more punishment is necessary because FSU does not think this is a big deal :-) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right Jay..... From: "Dr. Caffeine " <[email protected]> Date: Fri, March 06, 2009 4:16 pm To: [email protected] They is vacation penalty. Here is from official announcement. The penalties in this case are as follows: . Public reprimand and censure. . Four years of probation (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2013). . Scholarship reductions in football; men's and women's basketball; men's and women's swimming; men's and women's track and field; baseball; softball; and men's golf. Additional details are available in the public report. . Vacation of all wins in which the 61 student-athletes in the sports of football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track, men's golf, baseball and softball competed while ineligible during 2006 and 2007. This includes regular season contests, postseason contests and any NCAA championship competition. The individual records of the student-athletes shall be vacated as well. Further, the institution's records regarding all of the involved sports, as well as the records of the head coaches of those sports will reflect the vacated records and will be recorded in all publications in which these records are reported, including, but not limited to, institution media guides, recruiting material, electronic and digital media plus institution and NCAA archives. Any public reference to tournament performances won during this time shall be removed, including, but not limited to, athletics department stationery and banners displayed in public areas such as the venues in which the specified teams compete. . Five-year show-cause order for the former academic advisor (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2014). Additional details are available in the public report. . Four-year show-cause order for the former learning specialist (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2013). Additional details are available in the public report. . Three-year show-cause order for the former tutor (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2012). Additional details are available in the public report. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Steve McKibben <[email protected]> wrote: According to the Times, the NCAA's report, which this afternoon will be released to the public, says, "Had no vacation penalty been imposed, the scholarship limitations would have been more stringent." This makes no sense to me. The only one hurt in this is Bowden, who may be forced to concede the all time wins record to Joe Paterno now. Were the athletes, academic advisors, or administrators that were tasked to oversee the athletic department punished? Not so much. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a college football program. If the NCAA had wanted to make FSU feel the sting for it's cheating, to make them really regret their actions, and to send a message to any other programs that might be tempted to use the same shortcuts, they would have imposed scholarship reductions (such as the ones UF endured in the mid 80s) that would have hurt the program's ability to be competitive for a number of years to come. Considering that FSU was in a sticky situation of its own doing by having the clock ticking on a payout to coach in waiting Jimbo Fisher if he wasn't named the head coach by 2011, while at the same time being in the awkward position of not wanting to fire the man who made their program, the NCAA may have done them a favor. Having some of his ill gotten victories taken away may convince Bowden to give up his stubborn pursuit of the all time victories crown, and if he steps down (after the obligatory farewell tour in 2009) FSU will not only not have to pay the lump sum to Fisher, the program will finally be able to begin the post-Bowden era and get the breath of fresh air that it certainly needs to be a player on the national stage again. Color me disappointed that the NCAA once again proved to be a paper tiger. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
