I agree if we test everyone. However, spot checking would probably be sufficient over time. Reporting from the fans could also help. I don't particularly care if people are drunk at a game unless they are causing trouble.
Jerry From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Simpson Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 4:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] CFN.com: Point/Counter: Should Beer Be Sold At Games? Could be a good idea Jerry but by setting up breathalyzers and blood testing stations at the entries it would take 7-8 hours to get in the stadium J Charlie From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 4:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] CFN.com: Point/Counter: Should Beer Be Sold At Games? Perhaps those who are that drunk should not be allowed into the stadium in the first place? Also, if the AA makes more money off of beer, I can almost guarantee that none of it would go for tuition dollars. Jerry From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Woody Bass Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] CFN.com: Point/Counter: Should Beer Be Sold At Games? how is this any different than getting snockered before the game right outside the stadium? Atleast then the University might be able to use those funds to prevent increases in tuition. On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Charles Simpson wrote: I haven't been to a pro game in many, many years but I do recall the crowd being very drunk and rowdy. There were several fights and a lot of very coarse insults being yelled back and forth. This was at a Monday night game between the Dolphins and the Jets. I suspect the Monday night games are more rowdy. I'm kind of surprised to see West Virginia do this. They are a pretty rowdy bunch up there anyway so with this added fuel who knows. Charlie From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] CFN.com: Point/Counter: Should Beer Be Sold At Games? I wondered about pro games, Helen. I had hoped that perhaps the crowd was older and more mature. You would think that if people were paying that much to see a football game, they might want to be sober enough to actually see it. Jerry From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Helen Huntley Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] CFN.com: Point/Counter: Should Beer Be Sold At Games? I'm against selling alcohol at college football games because I think it would be detrimental to the experience of a lot of fans. Bad behavior of drunk fans is a major reason that we don't go to Bucs games. I wouldn't mind selling beer at basketball games because I don't think bad behavior would be as much of a problem. The game is shorter, you don't have extended tailgating/drinking before the game and fans are just less rowdy in general. However, I suppose you wouldn't be able to do it for basketball without doing it for football. Helen On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Jerry Belloit <[email protected]> wrote: I am not sure this is a good idea. My wife and I quit going to the Florida-Georgia game even though I had season tickets because of all of the drunkenness that went on at that game. The vulgar language, spilled drinks, and fighting were just too much. I can only imagine that selling beer would make it worse. That being said, it is just a shame that the actions of a few can ruin things for the majority. While I personally do not drink, last year at the Ohio game (at my first game in 20 years) I will admit that a cool beer would have been refreshing in that heat! Jerry From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Woody Bass Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [gatornews] CFN.com: Point/Counter: Should Beer Be Sold At Games? Point/Counter: Should Beer Be Sold At Games? Error! Filename not specified. By Staff CollegeFootballNews.com Posted Jul 2, 2011 | More <http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250&pub=scout> West Virginia is choosing to start selling beer at games, is this a good idea or a bad one? Jacob Thorpe and Mike Vernon discuss both sides. Point/Counterpoint Should Beer Be Sold At Games? - Follow us ... http://twitter.com/ColFootballNews Jacob Thorpe <mailto:[email protected]> - Bad Idea Follow me on Twitter: @jacobt1991 <http://www.twitter.com/jacobt1991> The administrators at West Virginia University are certainly taking steps to ensure that their decision to sell beer during football and basketball games goes off without a hitch. Patrons can only buy two beers at a time, all must present a valid ID and there will be increased security. To limit the number of fans driving home drunk, the school will stop selling beer during the third quarter. Yep, it seems like the Mountaineer administration has got all of its bases covered. But aren't all of these steps a tacit admission that selling beer will cause an awful lot of problems? Increased security means the school expects more unruly fans, and expects to be throwing more people out games. This from a school whose fans made the papers last year for throwing objects on the court at a basketball game giving a Pittsburgh assistant -- as well as the school's public image -- a black eye. Stopping sales in the third quarter is a nice touch, but it's not going to be enough time to let the thirstier fans sober up. The roads away from the stadium after a football game are already full of semi-lost drivers trying uncomfortably to find their way back to the freeway. Adding a bunch of drunk drivers will just be throwing a match on the powder keg. There will be more accidents, injuries and even deaths, guaranteed. Is the extra revenue really worth it? The fact is that in the United States we are fortunate enough to have both college and professional sports. The pros allow a place where people can go watch adults play the game, and get hammered while they do it. College athletics has always been about a more family-friendly atmosphere. The athletes are still kids, and it's fun for parents to bring their children to their alma maters and root for the home team. Both are fun in their own, unique way. There's no reason to try and merge the two. If even one person loses their life because of this decision, it obviously won't be worth it. Mike Vernon <mailto:[email protected]> - Good Idea Follow me on Twitter: @m_vernon <http://www.twitter.com/m_vernon> Whether you like it or not, college football has become of a world of haves and have-nots. Schools like Texas and Alabama have everything they need to compete for their conference title and the national title year after year. Other schools, stuck in the middle of the pack, are left struggling to win games and get fans in the seats on a consistent basis. There are many factors that cause the rift between the top and the middle, prestige, coaching, scouting, quality of players, and more. In the end, unfortunately, it ends up all boiling down to one major issue, one major difference between the few top dogs and the many dogs struggling to get their one bone - money. There is one option they do have that can help. It doesn't end with this change, but it's, at the very least, a start. They let beer be sold at their games. Even though some people would like to think otherwise, beer has become a major part of college football games for college students. Often times, students will choose to stay at their beer-soaked tailgate rather than go to the game itself. Even more likely, students will leave games at halftime to go continue their pre-game drinking - not exactly conducive fan behavior for building a big time college football program. In Morgantown, WV., they're far ahead of the curve. One of the more fortunate programs in college football, West Virginia, recently passed an amendment to proposition 18 - allowing beer to be sold in their stadium. The change to the policy come with plenty of rules, no beer can be sold in the student sections, a valid I.D. is required, and only two beers can be purchased at a time. Instead of sitting back and doing nothing, West Virginia is trying to be proactive. A supporter of the amendment, the WVU Police Chief believes selling beer in the stadium will help eliminate binge drinking. The reasoning behind his support: students often binge drink before games, knowing they won't be able to drink in the stadium. They've accepted that the students will drink and they're trying to do something about controlling the amount they drink. Along with hoping this will help student safety, the plan is awful lucrative. Athletic Director Oliver Luck expects the new rules to bring in an added $500,000 to $1.2 million - and that's for a school that already sells out its games. Imagine the dollars that a similar change at a school with lesser fan support could bring in. More money means better facilities, recruiting opportunities, and fan amenities, which could in-turn, bring even more fans to the games. A louder, rowdier stadium will only help teams win games, helping the stadiums remain full. In the end, an array of different aspects of the game can turn a college football program from a hungry dog, to an award winning one. It's only a start, a potential spark perhaps, but selling alcohol at college football games is a way to commence turning things around at programs that need it most. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us <http://www.gatornet.us/> -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us <http://www.gatornet.us/> -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com <http://www.helenhuntley.com/> -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
