Actually, years ago, we were using a Cisco (no boos please!) 2500 that had the
T1<-> Ethernet built in.  I have seen those going for a reasonable price as
well.

-Andrew Stueve
---
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discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.

"Daniel J. Crimmins" wrote:

> how about something like an ascend pipeline 130, that had a T1 interface and
> a built-in CSU/DSU?  they handle both ISDN and T1 on the WAN side, and
> ethernet.  a quick look at ebay shows used models going for under $100.
> even new, they're under $1k.
>
> --d.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Steve Parker
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Slightly OT...
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> As far as I am aware, yes, you will need a traditional router to get from
> the CSU/DSU into the GB. You will also need an additional hub/switch unless
> you want to use a cross-over cable to connect the LAN NIC on the router to
> the EXT NIC on the GB.
> You do have a point about some routers having VPN capability built in, but
> are those devices truly firewalls? If not, then it does not make the GB
> redundant in my humble opinion. The GB is a true firewall, not just a box
> that does NAT. It has many features that routers typically do not.
>
> I am no expert on the subject, but that is my humble opinion.
>
> Steve Parker
> Senior Systems Administrator
> nuspire
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Mark McBride
> Sent: Thursday, 23 August, 2001 13:38
> To: GNATBOX-Users
> Subject: Slightly OT...
>
> Hi,
>    I have a small WAN (5 remote nodes + HQ) that I am about to convert to
> VPN.  I intend to place GB1000's at each location.  My connections will be
> full T1's.  I can place a CSU/DSU at each as well, but then I have to insert
> another router to accomodate the V.35 cable from the CSU/DSU.  Is there an
> easier way to get from T1 to GB?
>    Most of the routers I'm seeing so far have VPN capabilities built-in
> making the GB redundant...
>
>    Suggestions?
>
> -Mark
>
>


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