Yep, that's a lot of good material.  I withdraw my comments about 
discussing this on this list.

Michael O'Quinn



On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=blacklist
> 
> http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=spam+blacklist
> 
> 
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=blacklist+spam&btnG=Google+Search
> 
> 
> 
>http://www.google.com/search?q=site:kuro5hin.org+blacklist+spam&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N
> 
> That should keep you busy for the next few hours... I don't really see a 
> need for the GB list to discuss the topic; it's been beaten to death 
> elsewhere and all the POVs are readily available with the above searches 
> or ones like them. No sense in the continued flogging of equestrian 
> mammals.
> 
> My personal experience: I've been using MAPS at our site, ~150 users, for 
> a little over a year now, with a sendmail relay. Every message I bounce 
> from the MAPS lists bounces with the following text:
> 
> Rejected - see<http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/>or call Ed at 650 801 7366
> 
> We average 100 blocks daily with an all time high of over 4000 in one 24 
> hour period; I've received precisely 1 call in over a year of doing this. 
> A very low false positive rate, and acceptable to our business. YMMV.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ed Hintz
> Network Systems Administrator
> Natus Medical Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> "Michael O'Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 12/10/02 01:15 PM
> 
> To
> Gnat Box Users list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc
> david raistrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject
> Re: [gb-users] ADMIN: Re: [gb-users] BL question
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> Could you suggest the appropriate venue for continuing this?  Frankly, as 
> a GNATBox user I think this discussion is very relevant and on-topic.
> 
> This discussion could prove valuable in demonstrating to management why a
> product that includes BL capability is desirable (or not), it provides
> valuable background information on the entire BL "solution" AKA
> "controversy," and it's getting the word out about other potential
> solutions for SPAM and about current BL sites.
> 
> Of course, I'm just one of thsoe silly customers...
> 
> Michael O'Quinn
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, david raistrick wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> > 
> > > blacklists are fundamentally wrong.  They break end to end 
> connectivity of
> > > the net and nab a fair number of innocent users (i.e. telecommuters,
> > > small-scale mail systems etc.) in addition to catching the occasional 
> spammer.
> > 
> > 
> > Threads regarding the fundamental correctness of blocking email or other
> > network connections are very far off topic for this list.  Please 
> restrict
> > such replies to off-list.  Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > Threads relating to the technical aspects of such blocking (as well as 
> how
> > to, or how not to implement such blocking) are welcome.
> > 
> > ...david
> > 
> > 
> > ---
> > David Raistrick
> >                Systems Administrator - Global Technology Associates, Inc
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >         Disclaimer:  All opinions expressed are the opinions of
> >         David Raistrick, not necessarily those of GTA, Inc.
> > 
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