Hi Jamie,

Thanks for the info -- doesn't sound like it's substantially different
for zoos.

BTW, USF&W allows a person to bring in 7 turtles for "personal use"
(which sounds like soup, but I think it just means not to sell) without
an import permit!  The person does not need to even be a US citizen!  I
think it's still a good idea if the person schedules an inspection ;-) 
Don't know if there's a similar thing for geckos.

Melody

James Corell wrote:
> 
> Hi Melody,
> 
> The USFWS and CITES paperwork would be the same save for the section where
> the receiver is listed.  I believe (but don't have it in front of me here at
> work) there is a section for Institution or Business name (where the Zoo
> would be included depending on how they are organized) for each of those
> permitting bodies.  Depending on the species there are also US
> Endangered/Threatened Species permits and/or State and/or City permits for
> both the species itself as well as how it's housed, etc.
> 
> The CITES paperwork is dependant on the type and number of importations or
> exportations.  The only future implications would be that depending on the
> type classification (CITES 1,2 or 3) you would be required to file for a
> change of US State(1) or if the animals or offspring are crossing an
> international border.
> 
> I'm glad you mentioned that you import for yourself since there are many who
> assume only people out to make money would go to the trouble.
> 
> Jamie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melody Hartley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 8:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Gecko] phelsuma and zoos--long
> 
> Hi Jamie and Leslie,
> 
> Do zoos have a different type of permit system than "private citizens"?
> I have an import lisence, have imported turtles (non-commercial, for
> myself only), and have CITES papers for the species that require them.
> Though an import permit is good for a year, the CITES papers are a
> one-time thing that only applies to the specific animals imported under
> it. There are no future implications, and the important first step is
> that the exporting country issues the CITES export permit.  Is it
> different for zoos?
> 
> Thanks,
> Melody
> 
> James Corell wrote:
> >
> >   Some keepers have Import and CITES permits for
> > these species because they already have been working with them (in some
> > cases for many years).
> 
> Leslie wrote:
> >
> > Having recently been in the employ of a zoo, it is not necessary to have
> > import permits if the zoo is not importing animals. They do have to have
> > proper permits to house CITES species.
> 
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