Thanks Jason and Lyle - I would think that a photographic comparison would be sufficient to differentiate the two, but my advisor has had dealings with this vendor before, and is afraid the vendor will call them two different locality morphs or something similar. I found the Harvard Bulletin at www.Archive.org. I am downloading the entire volume. I am also ILLing Henkel's book on madagascar reptiles and the other book, the guy's name is GASKOW or something similar. I am hoping at a minimum, I'll be able to find a reference citation or two that I can ILL (assuming Jason's reference, and whatever Lyle can find aren't enough for my advisor). thanks again. Joe
Gecko-less for the first time in 28 years :( --- On Fri, 10/2/09, J. Hodam <hod...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: J. Hodam <hod...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis v. P.standingi To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:43 PM Hey Joe, I don't know if you remember me, we traded offspring a good 10-15 years back. It's good to see you're still active and going professional (I'm not, but if things ever settle down again I wouldn't mind getting back into breeding). I don't have Methuen & Hewitt's original description, but here's a link to a review Loveridge did in 1942 with original type species description for P. standingi. http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/name/Phelsuma_standingi Hope this helps, Cheers, Jason ________________________________________________________________________ "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" - Thomas Edison ________________________________________________________________________ --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Lyle Puente <lylepue...@optonline.net> wrote: From: Lyle Puente <lylepue...@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis v. P.standingi To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:46 PM Hi Joe, Good to see you are out there! I will look through my books, but I think a standard photo would do for such a severe mix up. I can scan you a field guide or what ever else I find tomorrow. Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Joseph Loucek <jclou...@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Joseph Loucek <jclou...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis > v. P.standingi > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 5:00 PM > Hhhhhheeeelllllloooooooo! > > Where is everybody? No chatter at all. > > I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or > otherwise) key to differentiate between Phelsuma m. grandis > and P. standingi. > > Here's why: > > My graduate advisor is doing toepad research (and > salamander population studies - that's my thesis > topic). He received a shipment of Phelsuma back > in the Spring. I just recently went over to see the > animals, and instantly recognized that the animal dealer > sent him a P.m. grandis and a P.m. ? (maybe kochi, probably > grandis) when he paid for standingi. > > Before he contacts the vendor, he wants to make sure > that there isn't a chance of the two animals in question > being standingi. There is no doubt in my mind that > they are not standingi, but I can only intuitively tell him > the differences, and that is based primarily on > appearance. He and I both recognize that there must be > some key morphological differences between grandis and > standingi - I just don't know them. All my books > are buried in a box in my basement during a VERY LONG TERM > (too long, if you ask my wife) remodel. > > So again, the question is, does anyone have a key that > will allows us to positively identify these two animals by > morphology (scale counts, toe pad differences, etc.)? > > thanks > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
