I think you can submit a new version.

Jari

Telemaco wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We will address David's comments. Shall we just propose modified text 
> or also produce a new draft version?
>
> telemaco
>
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Jari Arkko <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks for your review. Authors, could you respond to David's
>     comments, and possibly suggest revisions of your text based on them?
>
>     Jari
>
>
>     [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>         I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART)
>         reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
>         http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).
>         Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call
>         comments you may receive.
>
>         Document: draft-ietf-mipshop-mstp-solution-06
>         Reviewer: David L. Black
>         Review Date: September 18, 2008
>         IETF LC End Date: September 18, 2008
>
>         Summary:
>         This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described
>         in the review.
>
>         Comments:
>
>         This is a generally well-written draft about mobility handoff
>         discovery and transport.  I found a number of things that need
>         attention, but none of these appear to be show-stoppers.  The
>         primary open issues are in Section 6 on Transport Options.
>
>         Section 3 should discuss relationship to deployment scenarios
>         in Section 4 of RFC 5164.  I believe this draft covers the
>         IP transport portions of the scenarios described in
>         Sections 4.1 and 4.2 of RFC 5164.
>
>         The following paragraph at the end of Section 5 should also
>         be summarized in the Security Considerations section:
>
>           It should be noted that authorization of a MN to use a
>         specific MoS
>           server is neither in scope of this document nor is currently
>           specified in [IEEE80221].  We further assume all devices can
>         access
>           discovered MoS.  In case future deployments will implement
>           authorization policies the mobile nodes should fall back to
>         other
>           learned MoS if authorization is denied.
>
>         Section 5.2 says:
>
>           To discover an MoS in the visited network, the MN SHOULD
>         attempt to
>           use the DHCP options for MoS discovery
>
>         No other alternative is described.  Why is this a "SHOULD"
>         requirement instead of "MUST"?  Is it possible that the MN doesn't
>         know whether it's in a home vs. visited network, but wants to find
>         an MoS in whatever network it's attached to?
>
>         The message size discussion in Section 6.1 seems rather cavalier
>         about problems caused by large messages.  The following line of
>         reasoning appears to be implicit in Section 6.1 and should be
>         made explicit:
>         - IP fragmentation SHOULD NOT be used (e.g. consequences of loss
>                of one IP fragment that are already described).  RFC 4963
>                can be cited as a reason to completely disable IP
>                fragmentation if that's helpful.
>         - That leaves a choice between TCP and UDP.
>         - Messages larger than the PMTU size cannot use UDP (there's
>                already a MUST for a message size limit).
>         - Therefore messages large than the PMTU size SHOULD use TCP.
>
>         The last paragraph of Section 6.1 criticizes TCP on the grounds
>         of latency and possible splitting of a higher level message across
>         segments.  SCTP (RFC 4960) addresses both of these problems, and
>         therefore needs to be mentioned and cited, but it's probably ok to
>         set SCTP aside as not widely deployed in the infrastructure and
>         devices to which this document applies (i.e., absence of "running
>         code").
>
>         Section 6.2 on message frequency says:
>
>           On the other hand, if UDP
>           is used, a rate-limiting effect similar to the one obtained
>         with TCP
>           may be obtained by adequately adjusting the parameters of a
>         token
>           bucket regulator as defined in the MIH specifications
>         [IEEE80221].
>
>         This is important - I think that "may" ought to be a "SHOULD".
>
>         One of the recommendations for parameter adjustment is:
>
>           o  If MIHF knows the RTT, the rate can be based upon this
>
>         Explain how to base the rate on the RTT, and what "knows the RTT"
>         means in the presence of congestion-induced delays.
>
>         Section 6.3 on retransmission says:
>
>           The default
>           number of retransmissions is set to 2 and retransmissions are
>           controlled by a timer with a default value of 10s.  
>         Those values appear to be reasonable.  Please say that they SHOULD
>         be used, possibly with some qualification involving
>         network-specific
>         characteristics.
>
>         In Section 6.5, given that IS messages are the main (only?) source
>         of large messages and IS messages do not have tight latency
>         requirements that favor UDP for CS and ES messages, would it be
>         appropriate to say that TCP SHOULD be used for IS messages?
>
>         The operational scenario in Section 7 is useful, but the diagram
>         size is enormous (over a page).  Would it be reasonable to shrink
>         it to fit on one page by combining each MIH User - MIHF
>         interaction
>         into the line for the communication that the interaction is
>         part of?
>
>         Section 8 mentions "underlying link layer security".  Please
>         provide
>         an example (an IEEE 802 example would be very relevant).
>
>         idnits 2.09.00 found a couple of possible nits.  These are
>         minor, as
>         the dns-discovery draft is intended for standards track:
>
>          == Outdated reference: A later version (-05) exists of
>             draft-ietf-mipshop-mos-dhcp-options-03
>
>          -- Possible downref: Normative reference to a draft: ref.
>             'I-D.ietf-mipshop-mos-dns-discovery'  (No intended status
>         found in
>         state
>             file of draft-ietf-mipshop-mos-dns-discovery)
>
>         Thanks,
>         --David
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