Hi Wes,

> In TCPM, it was determined that RFC 1122 is not wrong or flawed, just
> potentially unclear. 

That's a judgment call that the WG's entitled to make, of course.

(Side comment: it would be useful for reviewers outside the WG
if writeups noted why a document was in a particular category
when there might be some question about it.)

> There are many non-standards-track RFCs that include 2119 language,

True, where the document is self-contained (e.g. an Experimental
specification). But it goes with my previous point - either it's
normative, in which case it should be standards track, or it isn't,
in which case using RFC 2119 seems inconsistent.

This is definitely IMHO but I see from Dave Harrington's DISCUSS that
he has the same questions.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter




On 2011-06-05 15:08, Wesley Eddy wrote:
> Just commenting on the non-editorial portion:
> 
> On 6/4/2011 5:51 PM, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Why is this Informational? If it matters, it should be a Standards Track
>> document updating RFC 1122.
>>
>> ANA>  I agree, it should have been a standards track document since it
>> clarifies the RFC 1122 wording. I believe the TCPM chairs and WG group
>> had
>> ANA>  approved us to come up with a informational RFC that clarifies
>> the intention of RFC 1122 regarding persist state. We have no problems
>> making ANA>  this a standards track, I'll leave it to the chairs to
>> comment on this.
> 
> In TCPM, it was determined that RFC 1122 is not wrong or flawed, just
> potentially unclear.
> 
> The current draft is a clarification rather than actually augmenting,
> correcting, extending, or updating any of the specs and guidance in
> 1122.
> 
> As I recall, Informational was purposefully chosen by TCPM; this is
> more implementation guidance than anything warranting standards track.
> As for adding Updates 1122, this may be a good idea; I don't recall if
> it was specifically discussed by the WG.  I noticed at least one other
> RFC which includes clarifications is Informational and doesn't Update
> its parent documents (RFC 4718 is the example)
> 
> 
>> If it's not a Standards Track document, why is it using RFC 2119
>> language?
>>
>> ANA>  I think we need to remove the RFC 2119 language if the target is
>> informational.
> 
> There are many non-standards-track RFCs that include 2119 language, so
> it's unclear what the hangup is here.  That said, I think either way,
> the meaning of this document will be clear, so don't have strong
> personal feelings one way or the other.
> 
> 
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