Yeah me for sending a personnal mail to the whole list :) Caroline
2012/2/1 Caroline Becker <[email protected]> > Hi, this is a personnal mail (not on the gender-gap list). > > "two of the most famous pop stars in the world, at least in the US.)" is > a really, really funny sentence :) Either they are famous "in the world", > ie not only in the US, or "in the US" so not "in the world" :) > > Again, this is funny, not a horrible mistake of yours :) > > Caroline > > > 2012/2/1 Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > >> Laura - Thanks for asking for more contributions. I was wondering what >> was going on, since the project has seemed a bit quiet lately! Glad to know >> it's catching steam again. I made some edits a few months ago to the US >> section. (See comments below) >> >> >> On 2/1/12 5:18 AM, Lodewijk wrote: >> >> Perhaps it would be helpful if you could add some explanation why you are >> collecting this information, what you want to make clear. Because as I >> explained before to you privately (and I see nothing has changed) at least >> for the Netherlands the stats that have been put up are almost hilarious. >> Lots of percentages, but every Dutch person will be able to tell you that >> many of them are of no meaning (Ripuarian is not a language spoken at any >> significant level in the Netherlands, Zealandic is considered mainly a >> dialect and has 1 admin, of course there are no Dutch women in the enwiki >> arbcom, because to my best knowledge there are no Dutch people in there at >> all at this moment, and I would wonder why there are no Dutch female admins >> on the Portuguese Wikinews...) I am not sure if it is just me, but reading >> this page ( >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Netherlands ) >> I would almost think that this is a parody of something - I can't tell if >> it is the same in other countries. >> >> >> I've also been highly confused by these statistics. It confused me so >> much that I acted boldy and removed them from the United States section. >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives#United_States >> When I started to see information on how there were no Portuguese women >> involved in Algerian Wikipedia I was like "why would there be? and is this >> information here?" >> >> I rewrote the majority of the section to just discuss women's roles in >> the United States - at WMF, as fellows, as researchers, as Wikimedians and >> active editors, etc. I created a list of people who are active US >> Wikimedians who are known to be women (didn't want to make assumptions >> about anyone) and some of the cool things they've been doing. Of course, >> these are limited to people I know, so I hope others are added (as someone >> did me). I also removed the "US related on Wikipedia" in regards to the >> subject matter (which was added back). I wasn't really sure why netball >> would be featured because it's not popular in America at all, so to me it >> doesn't really tell us anything, but it's not popular. Same with roller >> derby. (But other women's sports aren't discussed?) So I guess if someone >> has interest in discussing American women's sports, this area has room for >> expansion, or IMHO removal. And the list of popular biographies makes sense >> - Amy Winehouse died when this data was retrieved and I'm sure her >> popularity has been replaced. And it's no surprise that "someone from >> Barbados" is in the top 10 - it's Rhianna, and same for Nicki Minaj (two of >> the most famous pop stars in the world, at least in the US.) I just don't' >> think this shows much about women who contribute to Wikipedia except that >> people of all genders like reading articles about pop stars and media >> frenzies. >> >> I'm more curious about how women are active and what women are doing. Who >> are planning events, have those been successes? Are people being hired by >> Wiki companies? (Not just Wikimedia.) What is participation like regarding >> women and other Wiki websites? (This conference is about that right, not >> just Wikimedia?). Sadly I can't gather data on those, nor do I know how, >> but it would be cool to know what the most popular Wiki's are for women and >> so forth. >> >> >> I am sure your intentions are good though, so perhaps it would be >> helpful to state somewhere what kind of information you're looking for that >> is *really* informative, and get rid of the non-relevant parts? I would say >> that the semi-automated adding of information isn't exactly helpful in at >> least the Dutch case - again, I can't vouch for other countries. Some >> information *is* interesting (interest ratios on Facebook or other external >> websites) and it would be a waste if that gets discarded because of the >> irrelevance of the rest of the page. >> >> >> +1. I think this has really cool potential to focus on "original >> research" - just knowing who is doing what and sharing that information. I >> took the time on the US section to not only celebrate who is doing what, >> but, opportunities that women have been given in the movement in the US. I >> wanted people to see what women were doing in the United States, not what >> they *aren't* doing. We already know the statistics are depressing about >> women's participating - so what are women doing to change that or to be a >> part of that? >> >> Thanks Lodewijk and Srikanth for sharing your thoughts! I was beginning >> to think I was the only person who had these thoughts! >> >> And thanks Laura for spearheading a unique and interesting opportunity to >> learn more about women around the world in the community. I hope people be >> bold and participate! >> >> Sarah >> >> -- >> *Sarah Stierch* >> *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* >> >>Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate >> >>today<https://donate.wikimedia.org/> >> << >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >
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