No. You just want to write a book with no rigor. 2012/2/1 Béria Lima <[email protected]>
> We are not trying to fix gender gap here (here means: WWCamp ) Emijrp. > _____ > *Béria Lima* > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> > (351) 963 953 042 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a > construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > > > On 1 February 2012 18:03, emijrp <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 2012/2/1 Béria Lima <[email protected]> >> >>> I can't answer for her, but I believe she was only gathering data. Since >>> she isn't Brazilian or Indian or Dutch, maybe might be difficult for her to >>> know what is excatly relevant or not. >>> >>> >> The problem here is that you musn't try to fix a bias or imbalance (in >> this case: gender gap) when you don't understand the problem features and >> the details of every human group. >> >> >>> I put in my list correct Brazil's and Portugal's entry, but I still >>> didn't find time to do so, but please - If anyone has the time, do it for >>> your country (and for mine if you have spare time) :-) >>> _____ >>> *Béria Lima* >>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >>> (351) 963 953 042 >>> >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a >>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >>> >>> >>> On 1 February 2012 13:51, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I suspect people have been hesitant to remove the information because >>>> it's not clear why it was added in the first place; on the whole, >>>> Wikimedians are content collectors rather than content removers, unless >>>> they are very comfortable that the information being removed is of no >>>> significant value or is actively harmful. >>>> >>>> Having a quick glance, I see comments like "no women were elected to >>>> Arbcom" for projects that don't have Arbcoms, and references to no women on >>>> projects that don't exist for that language group. >>>> >>>> As the majority of the data was completed by Laura (thanks for all your >>>> research!), perhaps she could help the list to understand what the >>>> intention was in including some of this information. >>>> >>>> Risker/Anne >>>> >>>> Risker/Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1 February 2012 10:41, Béria Lima <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Again, I would like to point that meta is a wiki and all of us have >>>>> usernames there. So I would suggest all of you to *be bold *and >>>>> correct what is not correct in your opinion. >>>>> _____ >>>>> *Béria Lima* >>>>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >>>>> (351) 963 953 042 >>>>> >>>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de >>>>> ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos >>>>> a construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1 February 2012 13:18, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Laura - Thanks for asking for more contributions. I was wondering >>>>>> what was going on, since the project has seemed a bit quiet lately! Glad >>>>>> to >>>>>> know it's catching steam again. I made some edits a few months ago to the >>>>>> US section. (See comments below) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/1/12 5:18 AM, Lodewijk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps it would be helpful if you could add some explanation why you >>>>>> are collecting this information, what you want to make clear. Because as >>>>>> I >>>>>> explained before to you privately (and I see nothing has changed) at >>>>>> least >>>>>> for the Netherlands the stats that have been put up are almost hilarious. >>>>>> Lots of percentages, but every Dutch person will be able to tell you that >>>>>> many of them are of no meaning (Ripuarian is not a language spoken at any >>>>>> significant level in the Netherlands, Zealandic is considered mainly a >>>>>> dialect and has 1 admin, of course there are no Dutch women in the enwiki >>>>>> arbcom, because to my best knowledge there are no Dutch people in there >>>>>> at >>>>>> all at this moment, and I would wonder why there are no Dutch female >>>>>> admins >>>>>> on the Portuguese Wikinews...) I am not sure if it is just me, but >>>>>> reading >>>>>> this page ( >>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Netherlands >>>>>> ) >>>>>> I would almost think that this is a parody of something - I can't tell if >>>>>> it is the same in other countries. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've also been highly confused by these statistics. It confused me so >>>>>> much that I acted boldy and removed them from the United States section. >>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives#United_States >>>>>> When I started to see information on how there were no Portuguese women >>>>>> involved in Algerian Wikipedia I was like "why would there be? and is >>>>>> this >>>>>> information here?" >>>>>> >>>>>> I rewrote the majority of the section to just discuss women's roles >>>>>> in the United States - at WMF, as fellows, as researchers, as Wikimedians >>>>>> and active editors, etc. I created a list of people who are active US >>>>>> Wikimedians who are known to be women (didn't want to make assumptions >>>>>> about anyone) and some of the cool things they've been doing. Of course, >>>>>> these are limited to people I know, so I hope others are added (as >>>>>> someone >>>>>> did me). I also removed the "US related on Wikipedia" in regards to the >>>>>> subject matter (which was added back). I wasn't really sure why netball >>>>>> would be featured because it's not popular in America at all, so to me it >>>>>> doesn't really tell us anything, but it's not popular. Same with roller >>>>>> derby. (But other women's sports aren't discussed?) So I guess if someone >>>>>> has interest in discussing American women's sports, this area has room >>>>>> for >>>>>> expansion, or IMHO removal. And the list of popular biographies makes >>>>>> sense >>>>>> - Amy Winehouse died when this data was retrieved and I'm sure her >>>>>> popularity has been replaced. And it's no surprise that "someone from >>>>>> Barbados" is in the top 10 - it's Rhianna, and same for Nicki Minaj (two >>>>>> of >>>>>> the most famous pop stars in the world, at least in the US.) I just >>>>>> don't' >>>>>> think this shows much about women who contribute to Wikipedia except that >>>>>> people of all genders like reading articles about pop stars and media >>>>>> frenzies. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm more curious about how women are active and what women are doing. >>>>>> Who are planning events, have those been successes? Are people being >>>>>> hired >>>>>> by Wiki companies? (Not just Wikimedia.) What is participation like >>>>>> regarding women and other Wiki websites? (This conference is about that >>>>>> right, not just Wikimedia?). Sadly I can't gather data on those, nor do I >>>>>> know how, but it would be cool to know what the most popular Wiki's are >>>>>> for >>>>>> women and so forth. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am sure your intentions are good though, so perhaps it would be >>>>>> helpful to state somewhere what kind of information you're looking for >>>>>> that >>>>>> is *really* informative, and get rid of the non-relevant parts? I would >>>>>> say >>>>>> that the semi-automated adding of information isn't exactly helpful in at >>>>>> least the Dutch case - again, I can't vouch for other countries. Some >>>>>> information *is* interesting (interest ratios on Facebook or other >>>>>> external >>>>>> websites) and it would be a waste if that gets discarded because of the >>>>>> irrelevance of the rest of the page. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> +1. I think this has really cool potential to focus on "original >>>>>> research" - just knowing who is doing what and sharing that information. >>>>>> I >>>>>> took the time on the US section to not only celebrate who is doing what, >>>>>> but, opportunities that women have been given in the movement in the US. >>>>>> I >>>>>> wanted people to see what women were doing in the United States, not what >>>>>> they *aren't* doing. We already know the statistics are depressing >>>>>> about women's participating - so what are women doing to change that or >>>>>> to >>>>>> be a part of that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Lodewijk and Srikanth for sharing your thoughts! I was >>>>>> beginning to think I was the only person who had these thoughts! >>>>>> >>>>>> And thanks Laura for spearheading a unique and interesting >>>>>> opportunity to learn more about women around the world in the community. >>>>>> I >>>>>> hope people be bold and participate! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sarah >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Sarah Stierch* >>>>>> *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* >>>>>> >>Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate >>>>>> today <https://donate.wikimedia.org/><< >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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