2012/2/1 Béria Lima <[email protected]> > I can't answer for her, but I believe she was only gathering data. Since > she isn't Brazilian or Indian or Dutch, maybe might be difficult for her to > know what is excatly relevant or not. > > The problem here is that you musn't try to fix a bias or imbalance (in this case: gender gap) when you don't understand the problem features and the details of every human group.
> I put in my list correct Brazil's and Portugal's entry, but I still didn't > find time to do so, but please - If anyone has the time, do it for your > country (and for mine if you have spare time) :-) > _____ > *Béria Lima* > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> > (351) 963 953 042 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a > construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > > > On 1 February 2012 13:51, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I suspect people have been hesitant to remove the information because >> it's not clear why it was added in the first place; on the whole, >> Wikimedians are content collectors rather than content removers, unless >> they are very comfortable that the information being removed is of no >> significant value or is actively harmful. >> >> Having a quick glance, I see comments like "no women were elected to >> Arbcom" for projects that don't have Arbcoms, and references to no women on >> projects that don't exist for that language group. >> >> As the majority of the data was completed by Laura (thanks for all your >> research!), perhaps she could help the list to understand what the >> intention was in including some of this information. >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> >> On 1 February 2012 10:41, Béria Lima <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Again, I would like to point that meta is a wiki and all of us have >>> usernames there. So I would suggest all of you to *be bold *and correct >>> what is not correct in your opinion. >>> _____ >>> *Béria Lima* >>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >>> (351) 963 953 042 >>> >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a >>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >>> >>> >>> On 1 February 2012 13:18, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Laura - Thanks for asking for more contributions. I was wondering what >>>> was going on, since the project has seemed a bit quiet lately! Glad to know >>>> it's catching steam again. I made some edits a few months ago to the US >>>> section. (See comments below) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/1/12 5:18 AM, Lodewijk wrote: >>>> >>>> Perhaps it would be helpful if you could add some explanation why you >>>> are collecting this information, what you want to make clear. Because as I >>>> explained before to you privately (and I see nothing has changed) at least >>>> for the Netherlands the stats that have been put up are almost hilarious. >>>> Lots of percentages, but every Dutch person will be able to tell you that >>>> many of them are of no meaning (Ripuarian is not a language spoken at any >>>> significant level in the Netherlands, Zealandic is considered mainly a >>>> dialect and has 1 admin, of course there are no Dutch women in the enwiki >>>> arbcom, because to my best knowledge there are no Dutch people in there at >>>> all at this moment, and I would wonder why there are no Dutch female admins >>>> on the Portuguese Wikinews...) I am not sure if it is just me, but reading >>>> this page ( >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Netherlands ) >>>> I would almost think that this is a parody of something - I can't tell if >>>> it is the same in other countries. >>>> >>>> >>>> I've also been highly confused by these statistics. It confused me so >>>> much that I acted boldy and removed them from the United States section. >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives#United_States >>>> When I started to see information on how there were no Portuguese women >>>> involved in Algerian Wikipedia I was like "why would there be? and is this >>>> information here?" >>>> >>>> I rewrote the majority of the section to just discuss women's roles in >>>> the United States - at WMF, as fellows, as researchers, as Wikimedians and >>>> active editors, etc. I created a list of people who are active US >>>> Wikimedians who are known to be women (didn't want to make assumptions >>>> about anyone) and some of the cool things they've been doing. Of course, >>>> these are limited to people I know, so I hope others are added (as someone >>>> did me). I also removed the "US related on Wikipedia" in regards to the >>>> subject matter (which was added back). I wasn't really sure why netball >>>> would be featured because it's not popular in America at all, so to me it >>>> doesn't really tell us anything, but it's not popular. Same with roller >>>> derby. (But other women's sports aren't discussed?) So I guess if someone >>>> has interest in discussing American women's sports, this area has room for >>>> expansion, or IMHO removal. And the list of popular biographies makes sense >>>> - Amy Winehouse died when this data was retrieved and I'm sure her >>>> popularity has been replaced. And it's no surprise that "someone from >>>> Barbados" is in the top 10 - it's Rhianna, and same for Nicki Minaj (two of >>>> the most famous pop stars in the world, at least in the US.) I just don't' >>>> think this shows much about women who contribute to Wikipedia except that >>>> people of all genders like reading articles about pop stars and media >>>> frenzies. >>>> >>>> I'm more curious about how women are active and what women are doing. >>>> Who are planning events, have those been successes? Are people being hired >>>> by Wiki companies? (Not just Wikimedia.) What is participation like >>>> regarding women and other Wiki websites? (This conference is about that >>>> right, not just Wikimedia?). Sadly I can't gather data on those, nor do I >>>> know how, but it would be cool to know what the most popular Wiki's are for >>>> women and so forth. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am sure your intentions are good though, so perhaps it would be >>>> helpful to state somewhere what kind of information you're looking for that >>>> is *really* informative, and get rid of the non-relevant parts? I would say >>>> that the semi-automated adding of information isn't exactly helpful in at >>>> least the Dutch case - again, I can't vouch for other countries. Some >>>> information *is* interesting (interest ratios on Facebook or other external >>>> websites) and it would be a waste if that gets discarded because of the >>>> irrelevance of the rest of the page. >>>> >>>> >>>> +1. I think this has really cool potential to focus on "original >>>> research" - just knowing who is doing what and sharing that information. I >>>> took the time on the US section to not only celebrate who is doing what, >>>> but, opportunities that women have been given in the movement in the US. I >>>> wanted people to see what women were doing in the United States, not what >>>> they *aren't* doing. We already know the statistics are depressing >>>> about women's participating - so what are women doing to change that or to >>>> be a part of that? >>>> >>>> Thanks Lodewijk and Srikanth for sharing your thoughts! I was beginning >>>> to think I was the only person who had these thoughts! >>>> >>>> And thanks Laura for spearheading a unique and interesting opportunity >>>> to learn more about women around the world in the community. I hope people >>>> be bold and participate! >>>> >>>> Sarah >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Sarah Stierch* >>>> *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* >>>> >>Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate >>>> >>today<https://donate.wikimedia.org/> >>>> << >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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