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Risker On 12 December 2014 at 14:43, Reguyla <[email protected]> wrote: > > While I am waiting for the email confirmation disenrolling me from this > email list, I think this is only going to work if: > 1) Someone establishes some metric for determining if the training is > helping > 2) If there is some teeth to failure to adhere to the training once its > been taken. If the WMF has no intention of dealing with admins who continue > to violate policy, then there is no reason to force them to take the > training. > 3) The training is also taken by editors. The majority of the problems > come from the editors so they should also have some need to take the > training > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Siko Bouterse <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Along similar lines, this pilot training has been suggested for admins: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Gender-gap_admin_training >> >> And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing training >> for such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased to see >> something like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was worth >> trying. >> >> It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on >> functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day >> interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to >> facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity). >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Reguyla <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think this might be a good idea but it would be pretty hard to >>> implement and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries got to where >>> they are because they have a calm demeanor and generally are fair in how >>> they treat others. Additionally, its not usually the functionaries who are >>> the problem. So without requiring the editors to perform the diversity >>> training, I'm not sure how much it would help. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Chris Keating < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Don't know if this has been floated before - apologies if so - but: >>>> >>>> Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among >>>> otherwise well-intentioned community members. >>>> >>>> This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play >>>> leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, arbitrators >>>> and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap problem >>>> because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can >>>> sometimes be a tool to exclude people. >>>> >>>> How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries to >>>> help broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from the >>>> point of view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly thankless >>>> roles better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks. >>>> >>>> It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some volunteer >>>> input); could it help? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Siko Bouterse >> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >> >> [email protected] >> >> *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in >> the sum of all knowledge. * >> *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button today, >> and help us make it a reality!* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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