Could you please clarify, Lightbreather? Do you mean a wikiproject that is *only* open to women/those who identify as women? Because all wikiprojects are open to all interested editors, generally speaking.
Would that not require editors to have to publicly self-identify? How would that be done? Risker/Anne On 31 December 2014 at 10:31, LB <[email protected]> wrote: > Is it simply impossible to start a Wikipedia project that's open to women, > or people who identify as women? (I'm sorry if I don't use the correct > terms, but I haven't kept up with them in recent years.) > > I mean if we did it... what would the consequences be? > > > Lightbreather > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Sarah <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:43 PM, LB <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Why abandon it? Let's reclaim it. Just ignore those who try to distract >>> and derail. There are sanctions so no nastiness, but nastiness is not my >>> usual style anyway. >>> >> >> I don't know whether it's better to abandon, reclaim or move it. But it >> has been a lesson in how deep Wikipedia's sexism runs. Any journalists in >> future wanting examples of it need only read those archives and the >> dispute-resolution threads that failed to deal with it (which one of us >> ought to compile at some point). >> >> Marie, I saw the suggestion on GGTF that women might prefer to edit >> "[f]ashion, cookery, domestic affairs, childrearing". Is it worth >> continuing with it when that's what we have to deal with? >> >> Sarah >> >> >> >> >>> On Dec 30, 2014 10:25 AM, "Marie Earley" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> We're abandoning the GGTF on Wikipedia? Fair enough. >>>> >>>> It was just that I had an editor accused me of radical feminism POV >>>> pushing on GGTF via my talk page (I dared to say that it was "interesting" >>>> that the example topics that he thought women would be interested in >>>> editing, other than feminism, might be "*fashion, cookery, domestic >>>> affairs and childrearing*" rather than "*science, business, filmmaking >>>> or politics*"). There was then this follow-on swipe on GGTF. >>>> >>>> > "...one of the reasonable first steps toward seeing what women in >>>> wikipedia thinks needs to be done most would be to actively ask women who >>>> have self-identified as women what content of particular interest to women >>>> might be underrepresented or undercovered here. Those women would >>>> presumably be in a better position to clearly state their concerns than >>>> would be individuals who can only speculate on them or draw potentially >>>> flawed assumptions based on limited previous personal experience." >>>> >>>> So, my potentially flawed assumptions and limited previous personal >>>> experience are surplus to requirements at the GGTF. The plan now seems to >>>> go out and find answers that fit a pre-existing narrative about what is >>>> causing the Gender Gap. >>>> >>>> So... "I believe the Gender Gap is caused by women who want to write >>>> about knitting thinking that Wikipedia does not welcome articles about >>>> knitting." I will create a skewed survey to fit this narrative and get the >>>> "right kind of women" to fill it in and prove my pre-conceived notions >>>> correct. >>>> >>>> I really don't see the point of it. If you ask 1,000 female editors, >>>> "What kind of articles do you like to edit?", then you'll get 1,000 answers >>>> with a wide variety of topics. What would that prove? Suppose you find 90% >>>> of them edit traditionally feminine topics, what conclusion would you draw >>>> from it? Would it prove that they clearly prefer to edit those topics, or >>>> those are the topics that they feel less likely to encounter intimidation, >>>> or a combination of the two? I just think the GGTF board is currently being >>>> used to promote a truly pointless exercise. >>>> >>>> Marie >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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