the point about dying with a whimper is well taken; or as Andrew Lih said: become like wikinews, a failed wiki
the librarian who said "cultural buzzsaw", also said, "would not touch wikipedia with a 10 foot pole." apparently, the write an article outside wiki to provide negative feedback to the toxic culture is still on. you'll excuse me if i work with the smithsonian on their bee metadata transcription project; wake me when there is some adult supervision. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: > The Signpost has an article, "Women and Wikipedia, the world s watching" > and > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-10-21/Editorial > and "In the media: Wikipedia's hostility to women" > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-10-21/In_the_media > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Kevin Gorman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all - >> >> As a further bit of clarification regarding the current arbcom case >> request (it had not been accepted yet:) >> >> 1) Eric Corbett made a series of statements that Kirill Lokshin, one >> of our best regarded former arbitrators, regarded as violating his >> topic bans w/r/t discussion of the gendergap. Kirill, without >> resulting to the AE board (which is an explicitly unnecessary step per >> policy,) blocked Eric Corbett for a period of one month. The template >> he used explicitly mentioned that anyone undoing the block without >> agreement of the original admin, extensive discussion and consensus or >> by order of the arbitration committee would be summarily desysopped. >> >> 2) Yngvadotttir, an administrator who posted an extremely lengthy >> retirement message around six months ago (but has still been somewhat >> active) chose to unblock Eric unilaterally and without any sort of >> discussion, including with Kirill. Yngvadottir was almost immediately >> desysopped by arbcom under their emergency desysop procedures that are >> called for in any situation where one admin reverses an arb >> enforcement decision of another admin (which were reinforced by >> another recent case that also involved Eric.) Yngvadottir knew beyond >> any reasonable doubt that her actions would result in her immediate >> desysop. >> >> 3) Black Kite, another administrator who I feel comfortable stating >> has a pro-Eric bias (significantly past the point of WP:INVOLVED,) >> opened an ArbCom case against Kirill for enforcing arbitration >> remedies against Eric. I'm not entirely clear on what Black Kite's >> argument is. Eric may have a right of reply in terms of speaking to >> The Atlantic or other media outlets, but past arbcom cases have made >> it absolutely clear that Eric does not have the ability to discuss >> issues of gender anywhere on Wikipedia. Eric himself is perfectly >> aware of this fact, and has racked up at least seven blocks under the >> arb remedies against him. BK's main points seem to be that he >> disagrees with Kirill's exercise of discretion in blocking Eric (since >> Kirill didn't *have* to block Eric,) but there's no question that >> Kirill was well within policy to do so, and more broadly, that he >> disagrees with the fact that Eric is under Arbcom sanctions in the >> first place (and an arbcom case is not how to appeal Arbcom's past >> remedies against Eric - Eric can do so himself any time he pleases >> through a much less involved process.) >> >> 4) Eric's block has not been reinstated, but there's currently an arb >> motion that would only allow him to edit his own userpages and pages >> related to any ongoing case or case request where he is a named party. >> This is pretty typical handling of disputed blocks that wind up before >> arbcom, although Eric has stated he has no intention of participating >> in any arb request or case about him. He's also stated that he's >> leaving Wikipedia. I don't want to go through his history to count >> them up, but this is certainly not the first time Eric has said he is >> leaving Wikipedia only to return. >> >> A couple points specifically about this list: >> >> a) I'm uncomfortable about the idea of list discussions that people >> are likely to shout CANVASSING at, but I am in full support of keeping >> the list informed of any ongoing developments, since they are directly >> relevant to the list. I'm not okay with anything that I consider >> likely to be libelous under the laws of the state of California (where >> both WMF and I are located,) or anything that either my own counsel or >> WMF warns me is likely to be libelous. However, California's >> defamation laws make it extremely hard to argue that a statement is >> defamatory, especially if you're at least a limited purpose public >> figure (which in this context, Eric is,) so I have trouble imagining a >> situation where this would come in to play. Defamation laws in the UK >> are significantly different, but because of how ridiculous the US >> legislature has considered the in the past, no defamation judgment >> made in a UK court is enforceable in the US, despite our general >> extradition treaty, close relations, etc. I guess you may need to be >> careful if you are a list member in the U.K. talking about the >> situation, although I can't imagine Eric suing anyone. >> >> b) Blocks or bans on ENWP do not apply here. Emily and I fully >> welcome the participation of interested participants who may be >> blocked or banned on ENWP but have relevant contributions here. We do >> enforce our own code of conduct, and occasionally do moderate or ban >> list members altogether, but not solely because ENWP has done so. >> However, it is worth keeping in mind that Gendergap-L has a public >> archive and is actively monitored by ENWPians who may not contribute, >> and have a range of viewpoints from "I totally believe our gender gap >> is an issue" to "I'm uncertain if we have a meaningful gendergap" to >> "I'm a raging misogynist." It would be wise not to comment here in a >> way linkable to your ENWP identity in a manner you are uncomfortable >> having discussed on ENWP (or elsewhere for that matter.) Although we >> can't control altogether who looks at the list and comments elsewhere, >> if you've been contacted in a manner that makes you uncomfortable by >> someone who you can show is an active list member, please contact >> Emily or myself, and we will look in to it and take action as needed. >> >> Best, >> Kevin Gorman >> >> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Chris Keating >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > In case anyone missed it, there is now an Arbcom case about this >> article... >> > or something - am not entirely clear what it's about but there are some >> > very, erm, "interesting" arguments being made in the dozens of case >> > statements..... >> > >> > On 21 Oct 2015 21:01, "Carol Moore dc" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ >> >> >> >> Goes into lots of details... >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gendergap mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >> please >> >> visit: >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> > visit: >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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