Risker, I want to be clear: It's not that I don't see a problem. I'm actually pretty sympathetic to your view; but I think your point has been made very strongly already, and the important audience is the Signpost editorial staff. I am confident they have heard the message, and I don't see how further discussion moves us in a better direction. The past can't be changed. I suppose the Signpost could retract the op-ed, but I rather doubt you're seeking something so extreme...or am I wrong?
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > I feel very sad that you fellows don't see the problem in using this kind > of language to describe women. "Badass" isn't a compliment. After the first > two descriptions, I was fully expecting to see "brilliant motherf***er" to > describe the third one. I'm surprised it wasn't used, in fact. > > The subjects of our articles deserve to be treated much better than this. > > Further, I'm incredibly disappointed that this got published in The > Signpost. On Emily's own page...well, okay. But instead of drawing > attention to the women who are the subjects of the articles, almost all of > the discussion is about the language used to describe them....and pointing > out that several of them already had articles about them that were > improved, rather than that they'd not been written about at all. > > All in all, it impressed me as an island of lovely flowers in a garden > with a winter's worth of St. Bernard droppings. > > Risker > > On 21 February 2016 at 17:13, Pete Forsyth <[email protected]> wrote: > >> +1 Ryan. >> >> This was one article, and no Wikipedians, readers, or article subjects >> were injured as a result of its publication. I don't really have a strong >> opinion one way or the other about whether using language in this way is >> OK. But the main lesson to me is how much the English Wikipedia community >> has come to value the Signpost as an institution. It's hard to imagine such >> any Signpost column inspiring so much passion, say, five years ago. Above >> all, I think this constitutes a strong endorsement of the general value of >> the Signpost. >> >> -Pete >> >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ryan Kaldari <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> The depressing thing to me is that the English Wikipedia community takes >>> all of 10 minutes to work itself into a frenzy about the use of profanity >>> in a positive, non-personal way, but if an editor on Wikipedia calls a >>> female editor a cunt, no one dares to bat an eye. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Is it a double standard? If that page hadn't been written by Keilana, >>>> would it have been published as is? >>>> >>>> Perhaps you're right, it *is* a double standard. Just not quite the >>>> one some think it would be. >>>> >>>> Risker/Anne >>>> >>>> On 21 February 2016 at 08:31, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Op-ed about systemic bias and articles created. Interesting double >>>>> standard about profanity in the comment section. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-17/Op-ed >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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