Context is everything. If a male editor who was previously contemptuous of women and the idea of addressing the gender gap writes a column supposedly celebrating women scientists with the same tone, that tone would be widely perceived as mockery and not celebration, and that perception would almost certainly be accurate. I will publish people being provocative to make a significant point about an important issue, but I won't provide a platform for an asshole to be an asshole. I believe this is a fairly standard editorial position.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think you miss my point, Slowking. It wouldn't have been published at > all if not for the author. If a man had written it, I doubt it would have > made its way out of Gamaliel's inbox. And if a man with a reputation for > negative interactions with women had written it, and somehow or other those > aliens from Wikimedia-L had abducted Gamaliel and published the piece, > there would have been a 500,000 byte discussion on AN or ANI about whether > or not to indef the guy. > > In other words, the only reason there's a controversy is that the Signpost > published a piece that it would have rejected if it had been written by > roughly 95% of the active editorship. I'm relatively certain if I'd > written exactly the same piece, they would have published it - but if you > did, Slowking, it would not have seen the light of day. > > Risker/Anne > > On 24 February 2016 at 13:59, J Hayes <slowki...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "the reaction would have been infinitely more severe if not for the name >> of the author" >> >> oh no, the reaction is because she is a women. commentators at signpost >> care not of position, but they could be appalled that a woman is in a >> position of responsibility. why waste a chance to sealion when someone is >> celebrating the belated diversity article writing efforts. >> >> it's all about the editing ethics on signpost, lol >> >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 24 February 2016 at 13:45, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> <snip> >>>> Additionally, not only have I never heard "badass" used in a derogatory >>>> way, I've never even once heard anyone suggest that it might be used as an >>>> insult. In my experience it has only ever been a compliment. In the context >>>> of Keilana's op-ed, it should be obvious to any reader that she used it >>>> positively. >>>> >>>> If exactly the same article had been written by someone who has a long >>> and colourful history of behaviour considered to be very uncivil, nobody >>> would be thinking it was an okay article. It's only okay because Keilana >>> wrote it, it wouldn't be okay if someone with a history of alleged misogyny >>> wrote it *using exactly the same words*. I doubt very much that the >>> Signpost would have published it had it been written by any number of other >>> people - in fact, I'm doubtful it would have been published if written by >>> any male editor, though Rob could tell us otherwise - but even if they did >>> publish it, the reaction would have been infinitely more severe if not for >>> the name of the author. >>> >>> Risker/Anne >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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