Speaking of dox and in-person events, a few months ago one of the WP:BADSITES known for dox had a thread about attending a WMF harassment workshop. So anyone who is not comfortable with a paper trail, and would prefer face-to-face conversations with allies, could actually find themselves face to face with their harassers instead.
On 4/12/17, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: > I had meant to revisit this discussion after my thinking on the > subject had come together a little better, unfortunately that isn't > happening, so I will just express my concerns. > > Perhaps this is only anecdotal, but it has been my observation that a > good many admins are students and either stop editing or cut back > their participation drastically in their junior year. So if they start > at age 12, which I think has happened a lot, they are basically > editing for about ten years. I find it hard to believe there are that > many older admins, the photos from events certainly don't bear this > out. > > The link from enwiki is interesting, I do recognize names of a few > professionals but even more who fit the 'advanced student' pattern. > The pattern on Meta seems similar. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000 > > So the problem I am trying to solve is basically the "endless > September" one that Sue pointed out in her 2011 editor retention talk > to WMUK. I know this information is dated, but the concept still > might be a useful starting point. I have not spent a lot of time on > Meta, but a while back I was quite startled to have an individual on > Meta demand I engage with him in a discussion about vulgar words for > reproductive organs > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajraddatz&diff=15715606&oldid=15715064 > , and even more startled to find out this was a functionary. Not only > that, it is someone who appears to be deeply opposed to the concept of > safe space > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IdeaLab/Inspire/Meta&oldid=15729581 > and whose name appears on a key committee for Wikimania, which as I > understand it, will be under a safe space policy. So my original > question was how can we get newcomers up to speed on the social norms, > but considering the number of past privacy violations by > functionaries, both on WP and on WP criticism sites, now the question > seems to be who has access to PII, especially for in-person events. I > know of no policy for this. Perhaps it is time to restrict all access > to PII to WMF staff and contractors. > > On 2/20/17, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]> wrote: >> *Re "** young men from 11-19", which if you think about it, is pretty >> much >> the demographic of Wikimedia's admins and functionaries."* That's an old >> joke, but nowadays a joke that looks a tad out of touch. Yes a >> significant >> proportion of people were that age when they became admins in 2004-2008. >> But if there is one thing we know about the people who became admins ten >> years ago, it is that they are ten years older today. I couldn't >> guarantee >> that none of our current admins were that young now, but I'd be surprised >> if more than one or two were. Only twenty of our current admins created >> their accounts in the last six years >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000>. >> RFA has been difficult for teenagers to pass for several years now, If >> any >> have got through in the last six years they have been unusually mature in >> behaviour. As for Functionaries, Functionaries other than crats have to >> prove they are 18 or over when they become Functionaries. So it is >> theoretically possible that any new functionaries who first became so in >> the last two years could be 18 or 19, but it isn't exactly likely. >> >> The template bombers who tag lots of articles for admins to delete >> probably >> do include some people in that age group, but admins? If 1% of the 1200 >> admins on English Wikipedia were still under 21 I would be stunned. Far >> more admins are over 60 than could possibly be 11-19. >> >> >> >> On 20 February 2017 at 18:53, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> "A Call to Men UK has 55 coaches working in schools, youth justice >>> departments and youth centres across Worcestershire. The organisation >>> has >>> one principal aim, explains development manager Michael Conroy: to spark >>> a >>> 'cultural shift in the way boys relate to girls', and through this to >>> prevent violence against women and girls.... 'As a culture it’s time >>> that we gave our young men permission to be complex, sensitive and happy >>> human beings who transmit positivity and respect to others'.” [1] >>> >>> They have a program "for young men from 11-19", which if you think about >>> it, is pretty much the demographic of Wikimedia's admins and >>> functionaries. >>> [2] >>> >>> This is all the more interesting right now because of the recent Newmark >>> Foundation grant to combat harassment, which it seems is to be used for >>> developing more forceful blocking tools for admins and functionaries >>> "with >>> the participation and support of the volunteers who will be using the >>> tools". If anyone has not seen the Susan J Fowler / Uber piece on >>> harassment that has started going viral in the last 24 hours, it is >>> here. >>> "...they >>> didn't do anything because the manager who threatened me was a 'high >>> performer.'" [3] Sound familiar? This happened in a company with HR >>> oversight; Wikimedia admins and functionaries have no oversight at all. >>> >>> [1] https://www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2017/feb/ >>> 20/teaching-boys-about-healthy-relationships-they-need-it-from-birth >>> [2] http://acalltomenuk.org.uk/ >>> [3] https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on- >>> one-very-strange-year-at-uber >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
