yes, that functionary and his behavior on meta has chilled the participation of some librarian editors they are highly skeptical of wiki harrassment efforts as long as he is in a position to see personal identifying information. they do not trust check user to be done responsibly as well
this is impacting our efforts to engage a GLAM institution. On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: > Speaking of dox and in-person events, a few months ago one of the > WP:BADSITES known for dox had a thread about attending a WMF > harassment workshop. So anyone who is not comfortable with a paper > trail, and would prefer face-to-face conversations with allies, could > actually find themselves face to face with their harassers instead. > > On 4/12/17, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: > > I had meant to revisit this discussion after my thinking on the > > subject had come together a little better, unfortunately that isn't > > happening, so I will just express my concerns. > > > > Perhaps this is only anecdotal, but it has been my observation that a > > good many admins are students and either stop editing or cut back > > their participation drastically in their junior year. So if they start > > at age 12, which I think has happened a lot, they are basically > > editing for about ten years. I find it hard to believe there are that > > many older admins, the photos from events certainly don't bear this > > out. > > > > The link from enwiki is interesting, I do recognize names of a few > > professionals but even more who fit the 'advanced student' pattern. > > The pattern on Meta seems similar. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special% > 3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000 > > > > So the problem I am trying to solve is basically the "endless > > September" one that Sue pointed out in her 2011 editor retention talk > > to WMUK. I know this information is dated, but the concept still > > might be a useful starting point. I have not spent a lot of time on > > Meta, but a while back I was quite startled to have an individual on > > Meta demand I engage with him in a discussion about vulgar words for > > reproductive organs > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk: > Ajraddatz&diff=15715606&oldid=15715064 > > , and even more startled to find out this was a functionary. Not only > > that, it is someone who appears to be deeply opposed to the concept of > > safe space > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk: > IdeaLab/Inspire/Meta&oldid=15729581 > > and whose name appears on a key committee for Wikimania, which as I > > understand it, will be under a safe space policy. So my original > > question was how can we get newcomers up to speed on the social norms, > > but considering the number of past privacy violations by > > functionaries, both on WP and on WP criticism sites, now the question > > seems to be who has access to PII, especially for in-person events. I > > know of no policy for this. Perhaps it is time to restrict all access > > to PII to WMF staff and contractors. > > > > On 2/20/17, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *Re "** young men from 11-19", which if you think about it, is pretty > >> much > >> the demographic of Wikimedia's admins and functionaries."* That's an old > >> joke, but nowadays a joke that looks a tad out of touch. Yes a > >> significant > >> proportion of people were that age when they became admins in > 2004-2008. > >> But if there is one thing we know about the people who became admins ten > >> years ago, it is that they are ten years older today. I couldn't > >> guarantee > >> that none of our current admins were that young now, but I'd be > surprised > >> if more than one or two were. Only twenty of our current admins created > >> their accounts in the last six years > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special% > 3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000>. > >> RFA has been difficult for teenagers to pass for several years now, If > >> any > >> have got through in the last six years they have been unusually mature > in > >> behaviour. As for Functionaries, Functionaries other than crats have to > >> prove they are 18 or over when they become Functionaries. So it is > >> theoretically possible that any new functionaries who first became so in > >> the last two years could be 18 or 19, but it isn't exactly likely. > >> > >> The template bombers who tag lots of articles for admins to delete > >> probably > >> do include some people in that age group, but admins? If 1% of the 1200 > >> admins on English Wikipedia were still under 21 I would be stunned. Far > >> more admins are over 60 than could possibly be 11-19. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 20 February 2017 at 18:53, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> "A Call to Men UK has 55 coaches working in schools, youth justice > >>> departments and youth centres across Worcestershire. The organisation > >>> has > >>> one principal aim, explains development manager Michael Conroy: to > spark > >>> a > >>> 'cultural shift in the way boys relate to girls', and through this to > >>> prevent violence against women and girls.... 'As a culture it’s time > >>> that we gave our young men permission to be complex, sensitive and > happy > >>> human beings who transmit positivity and respect to others'.” [1] > >>> > >>> They have a program "for young men from 11-19", which if you think > about > >>> it, is pretty much the demographic of Wikimedia's admins and > >>> functionaries. > >>> [2] > >>> > >>> This is all the more interesting right now because of the recent > Newmark > >>> Foundation grant to combat harassment, which it seems is to be used for > >>> developing more forceful blocking tools for admins and functionaries > >>> "with > >>> the participation and support of the volunteers who will be using the > >>> tools". If anyone has not seen the Susan J Fowler / Uber piece on > >>> harassment that has started going viral in the last 24 hours, it is > >>> here. > >>> "...they > >>> didn't do anything because the manager who threatened me was a 'high > >>> performer.'" [3] Sound familiar? This happened in a company with HR > >>> oversight; Wikimedia admins and functionaries have no oversight at all. > >>> > >>> [1] https://www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2017/feb/ > >>> 20/teaching-boys-about-healthy-relationships-they-need-it-from-birth > >>> [2] http://acalltomenuk.org.uk/ > >>> [3] https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on- > >>> one-very-strange-year-at-uber > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Gendergap mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, > please > >>> visit: > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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