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The minute that MS truly embraces Open Source, I'll throw my complete
support behind them. It's not about hating the big boy, it's about the
market finally rejecting unfair business practices. Remember: we are the
market, and many of us choose not to do business with Microsoft because
of their ways.

-Tim

On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 12:47, Randy le Jeune wrote:


    I wouldn't slam M$ too hard . . . remember that not so long ago it was Big
    Blue that everyone loved to hate, and now they seem to be on the hackers'
    good sides. The same may happen with Microsoft in ten years or so.
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:34 PM
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Subject: RE: [brluglist] O'Reilly Newsletter
    
    
    --- Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    > Good points John. However, I disagree that "the
    > downfall of M$" has ever
    > been a goal of the open source community.
    
    Ah, you are correct. Then let me clarify myself: the
    downfall of M$ has been and still is the goal of
    certain sub-groups of the free and open-source
    software community (/. for one).
    
    > Rather,
    > the goal of the open
    > source community has always been simply the free
    > exchange of code and ideas.
    
    Agreed and as it should be.
    
    > Now, that is not to say that there aren't those that
    > would enjoy or that
    > even actively encourage a defeat of Microsoft, but I
    > would characterize that
    > as a goal of the community.
    >
    
    You mean "would not characterize", right?
    
    > Welcome to the dark side John.
    
    Gulp. The Force is strong here. Is that Bill Gates in
    a big, dark helmet?
    
    John
    
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<BODY>The minute that MS truly embraces Open Source, I'll throw my complete 
support behind them. It's not about hating the big boy, it's about the market 
finally rejecting unfair business practices. Remember: we are the market, and 
many of us choose not to do business with Microsoft because of their ways.<br>
<br>
-Tim<br>
<br>
On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 12:47, Randy le Jeune wrote:
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<pre><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>I wouldn't slam M$ too hard . . . 
remember that not so long ago it was Big</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Blue that everyone loved to hate, and 
now they seem to be on the hackers'</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>good sides. The same may happen with 
Microsoft in ten years or so.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>-----Original 
Message-----</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Behalf Of [EMAIL 
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<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:34 
PM</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT 
SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Subject: RE: [brluglist] O'Reilly 
Newsletter</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>--- Dustin Puryear &lt;[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]&gt; wrote:</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; Good points John. However, I 
disagree that &quot;the</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; downfall of M$&quot; has 
ever</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; been a goal of the open source 
community.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Ah, you are correct. Then let me 
clarify myself: the</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>downfall of M$ has been and still is 
the goal of</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>certain sub-groups of the free and 
open-source</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>software community (/. for 
one).</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; Rather,</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; the goal of the 
open</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; source community has always been 
simply the free</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; exchange of code and 
ideas.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Agreed and as it should 
be.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; Now, that is not to say that there 
aren't those that</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; would enjoy or 
that</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; even actively encourage a defeat 
of Microsoft, but I</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; would characterize 
that</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; as a goal of the 
community.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt;</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>You mean &quot;would not 
characterize&quot;, right?</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>&gt; Welcome to the dark side 
John.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Gulp. The Force is strong here. Is that 
Bill Gates in</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>a big, dark helmet?</FONT></I></FONT 
SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>John</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3">
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