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X has a low bandwidth extension, here is the howto: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/LBX.html . It's a bit dated, so I don't know what the relevance is now. The howto also lists some other projects, but I haven't checked to see if they're active. I get pretty good results running regular X apps over compressed SSH, using the -C option. If you're really into doing something Citrix-like for lower bandwidth, check out SCO(now Caldera)'s Tarantella offerings. By no means free, but worth looking at. -Tim On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 08:07, John Hebert wrote: No, I was wondering what kind of performance he was seeing because of X's bandwidth limitations. What kind of open source projects are out there for doing remote desktops in a low bandwidth setting? I only know of VNC (http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/)... John Hebert -----Original Message----- From: Dustin Puryear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [brluglist] XFree86 on M$ Win2K Do you mean you want to run the X Windows System over the Internet? Just so you know, you shouldn't expect very good performance. Despite what you may have read, X really only gives good performance over a LAN or a high bandwidth Internet connection. Well, at least for any type of complicated application. Applications such as xterm or gvim will run nicely though. This is somewhere that UNIX could pickup some tips from the Windows world. For low-bandwith (or better) remote desktops Microsoft's RDP and Citrix's ICA tend to leave X in the dust. Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Information Systems Consultant http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of John Hebert > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:22 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [brluglist] XFree86 on M$ Win2K > > > Very cool! > > I'd like to try setting something up like this to get to my home machine > from work. What kind of performance do you get? What's your bandwidth > between the two machines? > > Also, have you tried compiling dpkg under Cygwin? I started the steps last > night at work, but ran out of time. > > John Hebert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam J. Melancon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [brluglist] XFree86 on M$ Win2K > > > I didn't realize that you were interested in this John. At the meeting > monday I had my laptop with me and it had cygwin/Xfree86 up and > running on > it. > > Check it out, I'm using cygwin on win98 to ssh to a server and using X11 > forwarding to run programs locally. Here I'm monitoring the system using > gtop. > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/cygwin98.jpg > > and here are some gimp shots > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/gimp1.jpg > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/gimp2.jpg > > Adam J. 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Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to change your subscription information. ================================================ ================================================ BRLUG - The Baton Rouge Linux User Group Visit http://www.brlug.net for more information. Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to change your subscription information. ================================================ --=-GNsff5azqH+RP/WafzkM Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/0.14.99"> </HEAD> <BODY>X has a low bandwidth extension, here is the howto: <A HREF="http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/LBX.html";>http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/LBX.html</A> . It's a bit dated, so I don't know what the relevance is now. The howto also lists some other projects, but I haven't checked to see if they're active. <br> <br> I get pretty good results running regular X apps over compressed SSH, using the -C option. If you're really into doing something Citrix-like for lower bandwidth, check out SCO(now Caldera)'s Tarantella offerings. By no means free, but worth looking at. <br> <br> -Tim<br> <br> <br> On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 08:07, John Hebert wrote: <blockquote> <pre><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>No, I was wondering what kind of performance he was seeing because of X's</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>bandwidth limitations.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>What kind of open source projects are out there for doing remote desktops in</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>a low bandwidth setting? I only know of VNC</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>(http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/)...</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>John Hebert</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>-----Original Message-----</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>From: Dustin Puryear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:59 AM</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Subject: RE: [brluglist] XFree86 on M$ Win2K</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Do you mean you want to run the X Windows System over the Internet? Just so</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>you know, you shouldn't expect very good performance. Despite what you may</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>have read, X really only gives good performance over a LAN or a high</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>bandwidth Internet connection. Well, at least for any type of complicated</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>application. Applications such as xterm or gvim will run nicely though.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>This is somewhere that UNIX could pickup some tips from the Windows world.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>For low-bandwith (or better) remote desktops Microsoft's RDP and Citrix's</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>ICA tend to leave X in the dust.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Regards, Dustin</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>---</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Information Systems Consultant</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>In the beginning the Universe was created.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> -----Original Message-----</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Behalf Of John Hebert</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:22 AM</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Subject: RE: [brluglist] XFree86 on M$ Win2K</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Very cool!</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I'd like to try setting something up like this to get to my home machine</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> from work. What kind of performance do you get? What's your bandwidth</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> between the two machines?</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Also, have you tried compiling dpkg under Cygwin? I started the steps last</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> night at work, but ran out of time.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> John Hebert</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> -----Original Message-----</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> From: Adam J. Melancon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:25 AM</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Subject: Re: [brluglist] XFree86 on M$ Win2K</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I didn't realize that you were interested in this John. At the meeting</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> monday I had my laptop with me and it had cygwin/Xfree86 up and</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> running on</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> it.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Check it out, I'm using cygwin on win98 to ssh to a server and using X11</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> forwarding to run programs locally. Here I'm monitoring the system using</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> gtop.</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/cygwin98.jpg</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> and here are some gimp shots</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/gimp1.jpg</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/gimp2.jpg</FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>></FONT></I></FONT SIZE="3"> <FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Adam J. 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