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well, *yeah*
the squeaky wheel gets the grease
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 15:28, John Hebert wrote:
Wow, another volunteer! I shoulda started moaning and bitching months ago.
:)
Thanks, Douglas. I'm waiting to hear back from Ricky about the newbie
meeting location. Does Sue Smith read this mailing list?
John Hebert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Clickers wants to start a Linux SIG was RE:
> [brluglist] Re:
> m eeti ng locations?
>
>
> I am in no way a linux expert. But, I'm willing to use my
> experiences
> to help newbies out. I'm more of an intermediate user I guess. I've
> basically discovered how to get my system to do everything I
> want it to
> do. I'm pretty sure that it's not the most efficient ways I
> find, but I
> got it working nonetheless. I love the idea behind Linux and I'm
> constantly talking to people about it. I've used my dad as an
> experiment as a matter of fact. I'm gonna go out on a limb
> and say that
> Linux is as easy to learn as Windows. It's just hard to make
> that leap
> from windows if you're already programmed that way. My dad has never
> used a computer in his life. In a couple of hours, I taught
> him how to
> log on, ,access his own e-mail, and surf the web. He had no
> problems,
> that is, after I switched my mouse around because he's left handed.
>
> So, if I can help in any way, let me know, I'd be more than happy to.
> I've only been to the one meeting at Brewbacher's, so I
> don't know how
> newbie hour works or anything, but I'm more than willing to show up
> early and help people out, if possible.
>
> Cordially,
> Douglas Adams
>
> John Hebert wrote:
>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Dustin Puryear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:50 PM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: RE: Clickers wants to start a Linux SIG was RE:
> >>[brluglist] Re:
> >>m eeti ng locations?
> >>
> >>
> >>At 12:12 PM 1/17/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>>I don't see any harm either way to be honest. However, I
> >>>>personally feel that if we have a newbie issue then we
> >>>>
> >>should address the
> >>
> >>>>problem via the newbie hour
> >>>>
> >>>How? Why? Is Linux going to be used up if there are two
> >>>
> >>groups in Baton
> >>
> >>>Rouge that are interested in Linux? Are you volunteering to
> >>>
> >>offer more,
> >>
> >>>Dustin?
> >>>
> >>The Clickers had a Linux SIG before. When I last appeared on
> >>the Clickers
> >>radio program I spoke with one of the members. I was
> >>specifically told that
> >>their Linux SIG had primarily folded because most of the
> >>members had joined
> >>BRLUG and because of lack of participation.
> >>
> >
> >Hmmm, I seem to be having the same problem with people to
> help me out at the
> >BRLUG Newbie Hour.
> >
> >>Rather than create another Linux SIG at the Clickers why
> don't we just
> >>
> >regularly invite
> >
> >>them over the LUG?
> >>
> >
> >Because I am doing the BRLUG Newbie Hour by myself here.
> Where's the Linux
> >"spirit" for advocacy? I started the BRLUG Newbie Hour as an
> informal kinda
> >thing where newbies can ask questions, but they want more. Clickers
> >apparently wants to try the Linux SIG idea again and they
> are asking BRLUG
> >members if they would like to help get it started. I never
> intended to
> >organize anything more formal or more polished in BRLUG, so
> I'm happy that
> >Clickers wants to handle that kind of thing. All I have to
> do is run a Linux
> >petting zoo at SIG meetings.
> >
> >>If the presentations are over their collective heads
> >>then we can just
> >>increase the time allotted to newbies. Hey, if you want to
> >>help create a
> >>new SIG then go for it. My point is just that I don't think
> >>it is the best
> >>solution to the newbie problem.
> >>
> >
> >By "we", you mean me. I don't think your suggested solution will work
> >either, unless you are volunteering to help. I don't feel
> there has been
> >much interest in providing help for newbies, other than help over the
> >mailing list, which has been good, though there are obvious
> limitations as
> >opposed to face to face meetings.
> >
> >>Now, if you are doing this strictly because the Clickers want
> >>a Linux SIG
> >>then that is another situation. However, to date you have
> >>been stressing
> >>that we aren't properly handling newbie issues, which is a
> >>LUG concern if
> >>they are LUG newbies. That is what I am replying to.
> >>
> >
> >Again, the "we" reference.
> >
> >>Again, this has been done before at the Clickers. I am not
> >>saying this
> >>attempt will fail, I'm just saying that with numbers comes strength.
> >>
> >
> >Apparently it has failed already with the BRLUG, as Clickers
> members are
> >again asking the Clickers officers to start a Linux SIG. My
> point is that
> >there is no interest in BRLUG other than my own to help
> newbies. At least
> >that I know of.
> >
> >>>Um, what? You said earlier: "I don't see any harm either way
> >>>
> >>to be honest."
> >>
> >>My statements are not contradictory.
> >>
> >>>Do you mean no harm to BRLUG? I really want to know what
> you mean by
> >>>"spreading the Linux user base a bit thin".
> >>>
> >>I think you are taking this conversation personally.
> >>
> >
> >Bunk. Though you've correctly pointed out in the past where
> I was taking the
> >discussion personally, this ain't the situation. You still
> haven't answered
> >my question. What do you mean when you say "spreading the
> Linux user base a
> >bit thin"? How is this possible? Exactly what is the density
> of the "Linux
> >user base"?
> >
> >>I've said a few times that if you want to do it then fine. I'm just
> >>
> >putting in my two cents.
> >
> >And all I was asking for was some feedback, which I got.
> >
> >Dustin, I'm not trying to start an argument here. The
> situation is very
> >simple:
> >
> >Sue Smith would like to start (or try again to start) a Linux SIG.
> >You and Tim say that is redundant effort (whose effort?).
> >I say that I'm the only one volunteering my time to help
> newbies in person
> >at the BRLUG Newbie Hour and I don't have the time to
> organize it better.
> >
> >What do you recommend then?
> >
> >John Hebert
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well, *yeah*
<BR>
the squeaky wheel gets the grease
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On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 15:28, John Hebert wrote:
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<PRE><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Wow, another volunteer! I shoulda
started moaning and bitching months ago.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>:)</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>Thanks, Douglas. I'm waiting to hear
back from Ricky about the newbie</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>meeting location. Does Sue Smith read
this mailing list?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>John Hebert</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> -----Original
Message-----</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> From: Douglas Adams [mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED]</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002
3:21 PM</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> To: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Subject: Re: Clickers wants to
start a Linux SIG was RE: </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> [brluglist] Re:</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> m eeti ng
locations?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I am in no way a linux expert.
But, I'm willing to use my </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> experiences </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> to help newbies out. I'm more of
an intermediate user I guess. I've </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> basically discovered how to get my
system to do everything I </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> want it to </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> do. I'm pretty sure that it's not
the most efficient ways I </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> find, but I </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> got it working nonetheless. I
love the idea behind Linux and I'm </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> constantly talking to people about
it. I've used my dad as an </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> experiment as a matter of fact.
I'm gonna go out on a limb </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> and say that </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Linux is as easy to learn as
Windows. It's just hard to make </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> that leap </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> from windows if you're already
programmed that way. My dad has never </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> used a computer in his life. In a
couple of hours, I taught </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> him how to </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> log on, ,access his own e-mail,
and surf the web. He had no </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> problems, </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> that is, after I switched my mouse
around because he's left handed.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> So, if I can help in any way, let
me know, I'd be more than happy to. </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I've only been to the one meeting
at Brewbacher's, so I </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> don't know how </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> newbie hour works or anything, but
I'm more than willing to show up </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> early and help people out, if
possible.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Cordially,</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Douglas Adams</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> John Hebert
wrote:</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>-----Original
Message-----</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>From: Dustin Puryear
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>Sent: Thursday, January
17, 2002 12:50 PM</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>To: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>Subject: RE: Clickers
wants to start a Linux SIG was RE: </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>[brluglist]
Re:</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>m eeti ng
locations?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>At 12:12 PM 1/17/2002
-0600, you wrote:</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>>I don't see any
harm either way to be honest. However, I</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>>personally feel
that if we have a newbie issue then we </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>should address
the</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>>problem via the
newbie hour</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>How? Why? Is Linux
going to be used up if there are two </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>groups in
Baton</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>Rouge that are
interested in Linux? Are you volunteering to </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>offer
more,</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>>
>>>Dustin?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>The Clickers had a Linux
SIG before. When I last appeared on </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>the Clickers
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>radio program I spoke with
one of the members. I was </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>specifically told that
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>their Linux SIG had
primarily folded because most of the </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>members had joined
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>BRLUG and because of lack
of participation.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Hmmm, I seem to be having the
same problem with people to </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> help me out at
the</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >BRLUG Newbie
Hour.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>Rather than create another
Linux SIG at the Clickers why </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> don't we just</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >regularly invite
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>them over the
LUG?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Because I am doing the BRLUG
Newbie Hour by myself here. </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Where's the Linux</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >"spirit" for
advocacy? I started the BRLUG Newbie Hour as an </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> informal kinda</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >thing where newbies can ask
questions, but they want more. Clickers</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >apparently wants to try the
Linux SIG idea again and they </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> are asking BRLUG</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >members if they would like to
help get it started. I never </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> intended to</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >organize anything more formal
or more polished in BRLUG, so </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I'm happy that</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Clickers wants to handle that
kind of thing. All I have to </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> do is run a Linux</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >petting zoo at SIG
meetings.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>If the presentations are
over their collective heads </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>then we can just
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>increase the time allotted
to newbies. Hey, if you want to </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>help create a
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>new SIG then go for it. My
point is just that I don't think </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>it is the best
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>solution to the newbie
problem.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >By "we", you mean
me. I don't think your suggested solution will work</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >either, unless you are
volunteering to help. I don't feel </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> there has been</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >much interest in providing
help for newbies, other than help over the</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >mailing list, which has been
good, though there are obvious </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> limitations as</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >opposed to face to face
meetings.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>Now, if you are doing this
strictly because the Clickers want </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>a Linux SIG
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>then that is another
situation. However, to date you have </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>been stressing
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>that we aren't properly
handling newbie issues, which is a </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>LUG concern if
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>they are LUG newbies. That
is what I am replying to.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Again, the "we"
reference.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>Again, this has been done
before at the Clickers. I am not </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>saying this
</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>attempt will fail, I'm
just saying that with numbers comes strength.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Apparently it has failed
already with the BRLUG, as Clickers </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> members are</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >again asking the Clickers
officers to start a Linux SIG. My </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> point is that</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >there is no interest in BRLUG
other than my own to help </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> newbies. At least</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >that I know
of.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>Um, what? You said
earlier: "I don't see any harm either way </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>to be
honest."</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>My statements are not
contradictory.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>Do you mean no harm to
BRLUG? I really want to know what </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> you mean by</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>>"spreading the
Linux user base a bit thin".</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>I think you are taking
this conversation personally.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Bunk. Though you've correctly
pointed out in the past where </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I was taking the</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >discussion personally, this
ain't the situation. You still </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> haven't answered</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >my question. What do you mean
when you say "spreading the </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Linux user base a</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >bit thin"? How is this
possible? Exactly what is the density </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> of the
"Linux</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >user
base"?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >>I've said a few times that
if you want to do it then fine. I'm just</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >putting in my two
cents.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >And all I was asking for was
some feedback, which I got.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Dustin, I'm not trying to
start an argument here. The </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> situation is very</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >simple:</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >Sue Smith would like to start
(or try again to start) a Linux SIG.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >You and Tim say that is
redundant effort (whose effort?).</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >I say that I'm the only one
volunteering my time to help </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> newbies in person</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >at the BRLUG Newbie Hour and I
don't have the time to </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> organize it
better.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >What do you recommend
then?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> >John Hebert</FONT></FONT></I>
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