Jason:
I could be wrong on this one, but I do not think that FTP can be
used with ssh. The FTP protocol is too old and sends everything in
the clear. There is an sftp client, but I have not had any success
with it. There is a brief howto at sourceforge on it, but they
really do not seem to support the protocol.
Doug Riddle
--- Jason DeWitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most of this would be done on the local lan,I don't feel much like
> working
> when I get home, I just play games. =)
>
> Yeah, I can scp it up there, but then that negates the whole
> conversation,
> becasue I was wanting to get away from making a change to a file
> then having
> to upload it to the server every time. either via ftp or scp. I
> just
> realized I don't think I told everyone that I was talking about
> editing
> webpages here.
>
> I think I am going to try out that ftpfs, but back to our security
> discussion, can't you tunnel your ftp session through ssh? If so is
> that
> something that the server will have to be set up to allow? I would
> assume
> so.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] vfs?
>
>
> > --- Jason DeWitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > well, that is kind of hard to answer. Our main
> > > production server is
> > > windows2000, and I have a small linux box running
> > > apache for my wife's
> > > website and I mess around on it too. If I am at
> > > work, I am accessing
> > > them from a Win2k workstation. If I'm at home, it
> > > will be either a Win2k
> > > box or Linux, depending on if I rebooted or not. =)
> >
> > Ai-yi-yi.
> >
> > > I know I could do either NFS or Samba, but aren't
> > > there considerable
> > > security risks? Especially doing NFS over the
> > > internet? I know windows
> > > file sharing is full of holes, since Samba is
> > > emulating that, does it
> > > have the same shortcomings?
> >
> > Sure, the same risks exist. But I was assuming a LAN.
> > If your connections are both LAN and Internet, then
> > you really should install OpenSSH 3.4 on your boxen
> > and just do 'scp file
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/ftp/dir/blah/blah/'. You can compile
> > OpenSSH under cygwin or I _think_ ssh.com has an sshd
> > for Windoze boxes.
> >
> > You should not use valuable passwords over FTP over
> > the Internet, for all the reasons stated before. You
> > can configure ssh/scp to use locally stored keys and
> > therefore not need passwords, which is really more
> > secure than passwords, when you think about it.
> >
> > John Hebert
> >
> > > ha! It's amazing what you can find when you know the
> > > right words to
> > > search for in google! Have a look at this,
> > >
> > http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/cnetips2.html
> > >
> > > John Hebert wrote:
> > > > What operating systems are you using on the client
> > > and
> > > > server, Jason? You can use NFS to mount remote
> > > > filesystems between UNIX boxen, and if your client
> > > is
> > > > a Windoze box and the server is a UNIX box, you
> > > can
> > > > use SAMBA to make the UNIX box look like a Windoze
> > > > box.
> > > >
> > > > But if mounting an FTP dir is what you want, I
> > > believe
> > > > it is doable, as I've heard of others in the past
> > > > doing it. I just don't know how. :P
> > > >
> > > > Good luck!
> > > > John Hebert
> > > >
> > > > --- Doug Riddle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Jason:
> > > >> A couple of things...
> > > >> If the server is on your lan, then you
> > > probably
> > > >>do not have to
> > > >>use FTP to get to that directory. The FTP
> > > directory
> > > >>is just another
> > > >>directory on the sever. The server connects FTP
> > > >>requests to that
> > > >>directory as a an FTP share by default. If you
> > > can
> > > >>browse the
> > > >>server, you can probably mount that directory
> > > >>without FTP. (It helps
> > > >>to be admin to do that... ;->)
> > > >> A switched network is still venerable to
> > > >>sniffing, the nature of
> > > >>the switches or hubs doesn't stop a sniffer.
> > > >>However, if your LAN is
> > > >>locallized, and does not connect remote sites,
> > > then
> > > >>sniffing is less
> > > >>likely.
> > > >> For what you are doing, I would suggest
> > > trying
> > > >>to get the rights
> > > >>to access the sever without FTP. Barring that,
> > > you
> > > >>might look into
> > > >>tcl, or Midnight Commander. If they won't let you
> > > >>connect to the FTP
> > > >>share without FTP, they probably will not be happy
> > > >>with tcl though
> > > >>either.
> > > >>
> > > >>Doug Riddle
> > > >>
> > > >>--- Jason DeWitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Yeah, I'm looking for the convience. Plus, I'm on
> > > >>
> > > >>the same LAN as
> > > >>
> > > >>>where
> > > >>>I am transferring these files. It is a switched
> > > >>
> > > >>network, as I
> > > >>
> > > >>>understand
> > > >>>it you shouldn't be able to sniff that out.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I've done some research, it seems that vfs is
> > > what
> > > >>
> > > >>allows you to
> > > >>
> > > >>>mount
> > > >>>diffrent filesystems to the one you are running.
> > > >>
> > > >>ie: fat32, ntfs,
> > > >>
> > > >>>the
> > > >>>bsd filesystem(can't remember name). Some of what
> > > >>
> > > >>I read, and what
> > > >>
> > > >>>I was
> > > >>>told before, makes me believe I should be able to
> > > >>
> > > >>mount an ftp
> > > >>
> > > >>>directory
> > > >>>as a dir on my local file system, then just save
> > > >>
> > > >>the files directly
> > > >>
> > > >>>to
> > > >>>it. Any ideas?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Doug Riddle wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>I agree -- FTP, Telenet not to mention gopher
> > > >>>
> > > >>and a few others
> > > >>
> > > >>>are
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>going away just bcause of those issues. I don't
> > > >>>
> > > >>use emacs and
> > > >>
> > > >>>what I
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>know about it would fit on the head of a pin. I
> > > >>>
> > > >>tend to just
> > > >>
> > > >>>stick
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>with ssh2 at the bash prompt for anything
> > > >>>
> > > >>sensitive. If I can't
> > > >>
> > > >>>do
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>it from the shell, I am likely to use webmin. I
> > > >>>
> > > >>don't do that
> > > >>
>
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Warmest Regards,
Doug Riddle
http://www.dougriddle.com
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