The problem with simple installs is that the people often need the most
complex installs are newbies who need to dual-boot. 

On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 06:20, John Hebert wrote:
> Doug makes some good points here. I too think Mandrake was innovative 
> for a while, but the "user-friendly install" niche is getting crowded 
> with competitors and Mandrake's business model wasn't flexible enough. 
> This is not bad news, but signs of a healthy marketplace. Be sure to put 
> your BS filtering googles on when M$ or the like starts spewing FUD 
> concerning Mandrake's bankruptcy.
> 
> Concerning user friendly installs, I think the time is coming very soon 
> where we will see a one-click distribution, possibly based on the 
> excellent hardware detection routines in Knoppix. Basically, I imagine 
> one screen where you are asked: "This will install Linux on your PC with 
> a bunch of defaults. Click OK to do an automatic install, or click 
> Expert Mode for more options."
> 
> And at that time, the AOLers will invade... ;)
> 
> John Hebert
> 
> Doug Riddle wrote:
> > Linux certainly has some steam.  I use Mandrake, and will be sorry to
> > see them go.  Actually, it is my 10 year old that like it.  I am sure
> > y'all remember her...  She is the one who is always upset we aren't
> > rebuilding servers in the meetings.  If she wasn't mine, I would not
> > think she was so cute...
> > 
> > I only see two sucessful methods for commercial distributions.  One
> > is Redhat.  Aimed at Enterprise, staffed by core developers, leading
> > the hurd, OK, herd.  Hurd is still a dream for now.  But Redhat is
> > out there at the front of the pack with their own product.  Mandrake
> > was a work-alike aimed at a niche.  No sale.  Large scale, people are
> > going to go to the original.  If Mandrake pulled any users in, they
> > generally migrated to Redhat.
> > 
> > The other is Libranet-like distributions.  Small companies, not IP
> > ventures.  They are small companies with a loyal follwing with a
> > flat-structure aiming at niche they own.  You can migrate from
> > Libranet to Debian, but there isn't a large incentive to do so
> > because the support, new developments, and innovative features are
> > better with the original.  No one ever accused Debian of being
> > user-friendly.  Libranet provides a saleable service that isn't going
> > away.
> > 
> > If they do not fall prey to to the grow to fast, get too big too
> > qucik idea, they should do quite well.
> > 
> > Doug Riddle
> > 
> > --- Shannon Roddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >>I am not too sure about the French laws, but I read that they are
> >>only
> >>reorganizing.  I was never too happy with mandrake, though I know a
> >>lot
> >>of people here and also newbies like it.  I am sorry to see any
> >>Linux
> >>dist. have hard times though.  Although Linux did well before there
> >>were
> >>commercial versions out there, they sure have put some steam behind
> >>the
> >>movement.
> >>
> >>Shannon
> >>
> >>
> >>On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 15:56, Doug Riddle wrote:
> >>
> >>>Did any one read the articles on Mandrake going bankrupt?  I have
> >>
> >>read that chapter 11 in France is the end of the road, like a
> >>chapter 13 here.
> >>
> >>>The herd is getting thinner.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Warmest Regards,
> >>>
> >>>Doug Riddle
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> >>>http://www.libranet.com
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> >>
> >>>
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