Here at ULL they have the BSAT degree.. at LATech it was CIS. They are usually in the business department though, not the computer department. they also might require that you learn a little c++ or something.
--mat On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 17:10, Adam J. Melancon wrote: > In response to the open job position > http://www.selu.edu/Administration/Depts/HumanResources/hrojobun.htm#Systems%20Administrator > > Let me preface this with: > I can fully understand that working at a university, they would want you to > have a degree from a university. > > On to the rant: > Why is it that places always want a Bachelor's degree. For example, I have > an Associate of Applied Science Degree in Computer Networking with several > certifications, and have been a systems administrator for all of the > libraries in Vermilion Pairsh library for over 2 years now. According to > most of the requirements requesting Bachelor's degree these days, I guess I > got lucky to get this position. Not to offend anyone, but I have had > conversations with people that have computer science degrees and wasn't too > impressed. To be fair though, I have talked to many people with an > Associates degree in computers and was really not impressed. What is it > about having a Bachelor's degree in computer science that makes them "stand > out" enough to make this the base line requirement. > > Most of the computer people that I have seen that are very good at what they > do don't nessecarily have a bachelor's degree, but more of a love for > technology, patience, the ability to want to learn new things, and the > ability to problem solve. > > Personally, I had no interest in going to get a 4 year degree. I wanted to > get in there and get hands on experience with networking and operating > systems instead of learning COBOL, FORTRAN, and C. I have NO interest in > learning programming (although I have more interest in it now, not enough to > go to school for it though), which is what I see that most colleges teach in > a computer science program. > > Do any of you know a university that has a degree in networking? I'm just > curious. I was very happy with the level of education I received at the > technical collage, although I had a very good instructor who actually cared > and showed up, and also had to go way above and beyond on my own to get to > the level that I'm at. > > Also, there are a lot of people who have degrees in other fields, but later > get into the tech field. I wonder if they are not considered for positions > like this since they don't have a "Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or > a related field from an accredited university" > > Sorry for the rant, but I guess i'm just curious as to other people's > opinions on 4 year degrees and IT positions. > > > Thoughts? > > Adam J. Melancon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > [email protected] > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://oxygen.nocdirect.com/pipermail/general_brlug.net/attachments/20030919/2f8bfd12/attachment.bin From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 19 19:04:23 2003 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chopin Cusachs) Date: Fri Sep 19 18:06:25 2003 Subject: [brlug-general] 4 year degrees and IT positions In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Human beings are funny that way. I started computing in the 50s, before there were Computer Science departments. Took what computing was available at Northwestern University, mostly a few odd math and EE courses. The EE one was wonderful, with a number that indicated that it was limited to Ph.D. students. It was taught by someone who turned out to have only a bachelors. Seems his undergraduate record was too good for him to get into grad school. Will get back to the story of Harry. At Tulane I taught "underground" computing courses for the physical sciences. The people who dominated the Arts and Sciences faculty wouldn't approve computing as such, and students had to beg to be allowed to take the odd course in the Engineering School. We found cover names for courses and did respectable research. I hopped over to Loyola and put their Computer Science major back together after it had fallen apart. But we did get flack. My colleague -- a two man program -- had a BS EE and an MBA. He later got the first Computer Systems Ph.D. from Tulane's Engineering School. I have degrees in engineering, chemistry, and physics. Many years later added an M.Div. and a Lic. Th. The people who started Computer Science departments had degrees in all sorts of other fields. Back to Northwestern in 1958. Harry directed the computer facility -- a top of the line IBM 650 that was cards in, cards out. Not even a typewriter console. We debugged by copying down addresses and data from the lights -- they weren't just for visual effect. Harry taught a fine seminar course -- we met Saturday night at midnight in a book store, so we could have adult beverages in a dry town. We took turns presenting a topic, a designated recorder took notes, and we discussed what wasn't clear the first pass through. We always finished before sunrise. When I was writing my dissertation I put in an acknowledgement to Dr. Harry Rymer. Harry laughed and told me his story. In the year before World War II Harry was a high school kid with a summer job on a nearby campus. They were building some interesting equipment and he enjoyed working with interesting people. The day after Pearl Harbor he enlisted. He was shuffling freight in Hawaii when some strange men in civilian clothes came by with a three or four striper as gofer. They verified that Harry was the man they wanted, and he was issued orders to Washington. He checked in, was told that his assignment was civilian clothes, which was not permitted for an enlisted man. So he was commissioned on the spot and sent to his assignment -- his old summer job. He was tutored by the senior staff at the job, many of the people we read about in the history of computing. At the end of the war he was called in, told there was no future in the Navy for an officer with not even a day of college credit, and given the choice of getting out or reverting to enlisted. He showed up in Evanston with a few thousand other veterans, and was given advanced placement. He decided to major in math, placing out of all the undergraduate courses, then taking two grad courses for each of the beginning undergrad ones. He took the normal English and such. Before the first year was out he was dating a young lady doctoral student, and they married. Time came for him to graduate. He would have gone on to graduate work, but there were no courses of interest left to take, so they hired him to direct the new computer center they were setting up. That is how I met him. Harry had a little daughter by then, and he would take her to the computer center at night -- it was the old astronomy observatory and had bunks -- and entertain her between crises as users ran into problems. Harry's daughter picked out a book and they played games working out the exercises. Daughter found that mother could help her with some of the more difficult ones. All went well for several years. Then the little girl started school. She came back one evening with a note pinned to her jumper. "Your daughter keeps asking when we are getting to integrals. What are integrals?" The book she and her dad used to use for games was "Calculus of Variations," the classic grad text by Bliss. I used to enjoy coffee at the book store at the end of the day with Harry, his wife, daughter, and others as the families gathered before going home for dinner. From time to time a math student would come in and ask Harry's wife a question -- she was writing her dissertation and teaching. It was great fun when she would say to ask the little girl, and the little girl would explain what the student had missed. I've often wondered if Harry ever got a graduate degree, or just moved up to director of a large computer facility. One of my undergrad chemistry students at Tulane went out to CalTech for his Ph.D. and later, for a time, headed up supercomputer facility; when last contacted was running a computer systems program at Berkeley. Most of the great innovators in science didn't have degrees in their fields. Choppy At 10:10 PM 9/19/03 +0000, you wrote: >In response to the open job position >http://www.selu.edu/Administration/Depts/HumanResources/hrojobun.htm#Systems%20Administrator > >Let me preface this with: >I can fully understand that working at a university, they would want you >to have a degree from a university. > >On to the rant: >Why is it that places always want a Bachelor's degree. For example, I >have an Associate of Applied Science Degree in Computer Networking with >several certifications, and have been a systems administrator for all of >the libraries in Vermilion Pairsh library for over 2 years now. According >to most of the requirements requesting Bachelor's degree these days, I >guess I got lucky to get this position. Not to offend anyone, but I have >had conversations with people that have computer science degrees and >wasn't too impressed. To be fair though, I have talked to many people >with an Associates degree in computers and was really not impressed. What >is it about having a Bachelor's degree in computer science that makes them >"stand out" enough to make this the base line requirement. > >Most of the computer people that I have seen that are very good at what >they do don't nessecarily have a bachelor's degree, but more of a love for >technology, patience, the ability to want to learn new things, and the >ability to problem solve.
