No, Sisyphus, computers are not a trade.  They are a
boulder.  Unless... They are loaded with Linux.  Then,
and only then, Sisyphus; can you become Diogenes.

Degrees are paper, something you can put in line 13b
on a job application.

What is more inportant, is the process of education. 
Learn, read, do, be, dobedo.

I once spent an evening with a survivor of a Nazi
death camp.  He was a German that as a young man had
stood up against the Nazi's and said NO!

He showed me his tatoo and told me to go to college
when I got out as I had told him I intended to.  "Your
mind is the only thing no one can take away.  What you
lock away in there - it is yours!"

He was a hero, and made of sterner stuff that I am,
but his message sank in.  I never stop studying.

Ever read Fahrenheit 451?  If not, check it out of the
library.  Dark, but compelling.

Doug

--- "Adam J. Melancon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Great thoughts everyone...
> 
> I guess I just wonder if some people with the same
> degree feel like I do, 
> where when asked what I have a degree in, I feel
> like I have to justify my 
> Associates degree.  It's not because of what other
> people think about it, I 
> guess for some reason I just feel like I have to
> justify why I only have an 
> Associates degree.
> 
> Although, I did get my CCNA, A+, and Network+
> certification which used to 
> make me feel better until they started this
> certification boot camp crap 
> where everyone and their grandma has their CCNA.  Of
> course you are going to 
> get certified if you pay $5000 for a week long CCNA
> boot camp!  When I 
> started preparing for my certifications, I studied
> hard, and felt like I 
> earned those certs. It took me 2 weeks and a $50
> book to get my A+ and later 
> I studied for two months with a $50 book and 2
> 1605-R routers I had 
> available to me and got my CCNA, and then after the
> CCNA I just went take 
> the Network+ the following weekend.  I also just
> recently went through the 
> 12 week Dale Carnegie course that my dad gave me for
> Christmas.  I wasn't 
> too interested in it at the time he told me about it
> (he took it in 
> October), but it was one of the best class I have
> ever taken in my life and 
> was definatly worth it.
> 
> I'm 23 now and have been using computers since I was
> 6, and I really feel 
> that I have learned more than ever being on the job
> as a one man IT staff 
> than I ever learned in school.   I have no plans of
> leaving the library, 
> espically since we are fixing to move into a brand
> new 26,000 square foot 
> facility, but if I ever have to, I hope that my
> experience as a Systems 
> Administrator for a seven branch library pays off
> for me in the long run.
> 
> Also, in keeping with the Linux theme of this group,
> ever since I have found 
> red-hat 5.2 quite some years ago, computers have
> become fun again and keep 
> me wanting to do new projects such as my terminal
> server, print to pdf 
> server, and the MP3 server I have at my house. 
> Linux has been the breath of 
> fresh in this hobby turned career, and has helped my
> knowledge of computers 
> and networking increase drastically over the past
> few years.
> 
> I guess sometimes I'm just tired of people looking a
> technical colleges as 
> being for people who "couldn't cut it" in a real
> college, or for "problem 
> kids".  If you notice, it is most of the "problem
> kids" in highschool that 
> they try to start industrial arts program for, or
> ship them to trade 
> schools.  If we didn't have technical schools, where
> would we get qualified 
> mechanics, plumbers, welders, hair dressers,
> electricians, and other 
> "working with your hands" jobs.  I feel that most
> people look down at 
> trades, as if they weren't smart enough to make it
> in college.  I think we 
> need more skilled people in this world with hands on
> trades.  If everyone 
> went and got a 4 year degree and a desk job, who
> would weld, fabricate, 
> build, and fix most of the things we use every day.
> 
> Which raises a good question... Is working with
> compters a trade, and if 
> not, why do they teach it at trade schools?
> 
> Adam J. Melancon
> 
>
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