As always, John, you are the voice of reason, and I respect your opinion 
highly.

On that token, I would like to formally apologize to Terry.  I took the 
low road myself, and although there are reasons which I didn't go into 
during this conversation, I should have been more diplomatic in my approach.

I still feel that adopting Windows solutions to Linux deficiencies is an 
answer which spells disaster, but I all too often forget that most 
people simply aren't programmers.

David

John Hebert wrote:

>David,
>
>At one point in time, I would have agreed with your
>viewpoint; although I wouldn't have picked a fight
>with Terry as he is the nicest guy you could ever
>meet.
>
>I've mellowed out a bit since then and realized that
>Linux is already competing with Microsoft Windows on
>technological merit and doesn't need me to appeal to
>someone's sense of morality or fairness. Wake up and
>look around; Linux is doing just fine.
>
>I think you need to mellow out as well. Let me use an
>example: Say we are in a big room and everyone there
>is participating in a discussion about Linux
>primarily, but computer technology in general; and the
>conversation turns to timeshifting and PVRs. Terry
>then  mentions that he will be giving a presentation
>soon about that very topic, though it will be done
>using Microsoft Windows instead of Linux. It would not
>be good manners to then interject that his statement
>was irrelevant to the conversation.
>
>I've always thought of this mailing list as just a
>big, on-going coversation, primarily focusing on
>Linux, but certainly not restricting anyone from
>mentioning other computer related topics or questions.
>I also like to think of this mailing list as a place
>where freedom is held to be an important value.
>Freedom is a two-edged sword, by the way. If I value
>the freedom to speak about and use Linux, I must also
>respect the freedom of others _not_ to do so.
>Insisting that this mailing list  stays only on the
>topic of Linux seems to run counter to the notion of
>freedom to me, but again, you are free to illuminate
>me otherwise. Sure, we may stray, but the usual
>response is to simply not respond, as Terry suggested.
>
>I think Solaris has always been a relevant topic here,
>and it certainly was not (is not?) free software. Can
>we mention Solaris? What about OSX? Is that offlimits
>too? Java? What about BSD, since Microsoft uses that?
>Perhaps we should come up with a list of acceptable
>topics...
>
>Can you see the absurdity of this perspective? Again,
>I can sympathize with your viewpoint that we should
>support free software, but each supports that effort
>in his or her own manner (again, the two-edges of
>freedom). Linux doesn't need policemen. It needs more
>contributing coders to make it better, not more
>enforcers to make it politically correct. Linux should
>compete only on technological merit with Microsoft
>Windows for dominance; anything else IMHO would be a
>perversion of the very freedom that made it possible.
>
>Please, if I am in error, I welcome your effort to
>inform me. But let's keep it civil and polite. Written
>conversation like this can (and has many times) be
>misinterpreted as mean-spirited and personal. Let's
>try to keep this on-going conversation enjoyable,
>otherwise this community suffers.
>
>John
>  
>

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