On 9/20/07, Petri Laihonen <pietu at weblizards.net> wrote: >.... Currently I live here just because I just > happen to drift here and due to the convenient location to run my > business.... > > When my baby gets to the age when he needs to go to school, there is very > high probability that my family is going to move out from here... or at > least to another region in this country. We'll see....
..so I am assuming your child was born here a US citizen? > > So where is the freedom when megacorporations like M$, oil- and car-industry > are dictating even the government about what to do? Welcome to the puppet > show.... So if your business is enjoying considerable success at this point in time, are you going to simply pull the plug and move it to a less business friendly environment - which assuredly most other countries are when compared to the US. I guess you'll have a clean conscience, not worry about big brother, and enjoy "free" internet. BTW, isn't this a "political" discussion list? I'd love to engage in this, but I don't want to clog up the general list. > > > Petri > > > > > Tim Fournet wrote: > Wait a minute. At one point you say that blocking outbound SMTP > connections from home PCs does nothing to block SPAM, and then you say > that the majority of SPAM comes from home PCs on broadband connections > that are part of botnets (which use SMTP to send spam). Which is it? > > As for the rest of your spiel, it really doesn't make sense. The > internet isn't free, it costs money to run all those lines, keep those > servers running and cool, etc. Anyone who provides a service of hosting > email accounts for someone is doing it with the expectation of providing > some value to its users in return for some value to themselves. In the > case of Yahoo, MSN, etc, it's mostly about offering a free, reliable, > reasonably-spam-free, email account in return for brand loyalty and > maybe some advertising revenue. If users don't like it, there is nothing > at all stopping them from going to a domain registrar, registering their > own domain, and then going to an ISP and buying an account that allows > inbound SMTP; or going to a hosting provider and provisioning their own > mail server, or paying someone else to do above for them. If you think > there is censorship or collusion going on, you're wildly mistaken, and > perhaps excessively paranoid. > > willhill wrote: > > > If those filters and port blocks did anything to block spam, I'd believe > you. > I can tell you that AOL and Hotmails spam filters are largely ineffective > because my wife uses one and my mom used to use the other until it became > unbearable. You and I both know that the vast majority of spam now comes > from botnets of home PCs on broadband connections and we also know that spam > outnumbers legitmate email even after filters. > > The real answer to the botnet problem is OS diversification. At least one in > four computers is part of a botnet. If ISPs really cared, they would not > still be promoting the monoculture. > > Net neutrality is ultimately an issue of political control. The ability to > filter the internet is the ability to filter opinion and it will be used > that > way. That's not the way the internet is supposed to work and technically > the filters are bottlenecks that throttle performance. The example blocking > is more than Hotmail and AOL. It's all of the domains controlled by > Microsoft, AOL and Yahoo and it reeks of government induced collusion. If > you want to know what a corporate controlled, government censored internet > will look like, turn on your TV. A free internet is cutting into that > censorship and control and that's the reason the FCC came out against > network > neutrality. > > TruthOut recommends dumping "free" email, but that won't get solve their > problem. If AOL, Microsoft and Yahoo all decide to filter TruthOut, they > will do it at all levels and it will work here just as well as it does in > China. > > On Thursday 20 September 2007 8:14 am, Tim Fournet wrote: > > > > Also, SMTP servers blocking incoming mail from misconfigured servers, > and ISPs blocking incoming TCP/25 connections to home IP ranges have > nothing to do with each other, except for being two separate measures of > blocking SPAM. > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- 225.578.1920 AIM: bz743
